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Foonf, take #2
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NicoleCPST
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Adorkable said:
FWIW, the home made pillowcase cover wouldn't meet flame retardant specifications required for carseat manufacturers. So that could easily create the .001% risk in a crash that could burn and permenantly disfigure your child. But I'm sure that pillowcase cover with keep your seat smelling fresh.
and here i thought we had settled back down to intelligent discourse again.
I have no reply that will get anywhere with someone who would post this, so I will keep my hands off the keyboard now.
I'm an electrical design engineer. I enjoy mods as much as anyone, well, moreso back in the day when I had more time and energy, but that's another issue.
I also don't find attaching a thin layer of fabric to the top of a carseat likely to reduce the crash performance of the restraint at all. Even so, I've never had a good enough reason personally to do that or otherwise modify a primary safety device like a carseat. Granted, Clek is a little different in what they do with their covers, so maybe it's something you might even suggest to them (factory approved slip over covers).
Ultimately, there is also concern that some innocent change one person chooses for a model used by their child is taken the wrong way by another reader, who does something similar on another restraint that turns out to be a potential risk. That's another reason why we stick with manufacturer instructions. Modding a carseat is a bit different from grandma modding her favorite recliner with a clear vinyl cover or a gamer modding a computer, not only in terms of the product's function, but also in terms of the person most likely to be affected if you mess up.
very much agreed
if the side wings of a headrest are completely behind my child's head, then something is horribly wrong with the way they are secured into their carseat. Kids also turn their heads to the side from time to time.
We have great talks about parental decisions we would/wouldn't make all the time. But coming in saying that you're going to do that and not going to listen to anyone who presents an objection because they're not people you want to listen to doesn't facilitate that. We try very hard to be respectful, patient, helpful, non-judgmental and non-confrontatIonal here, for the most part. We also try to carefully consider the viewpoints others bring to the table. Coming in confrontational, dismissive, and defiant is at odds with our community ethos and doesn't start you off on the right foot, so to speak, to have that conversation.
If you wish to start a new thread, making clear you're being respectful of all the educated views available here, wish to discuss hypotheticals and theory of design, and are asking for honest evaluations of perceived risk in a real-world situation, politely, you'd probably get some good responses.
NicoleCPST
Senior Community Member
Adorkable said:
I'd consider it fairly intelligent to consider the flame retardant since its a federal standard applying to carseats. You asked for that .001%, I gave it to you.
I'm glad you couldn't find a better argument to invalidate my point. You are welcome, BTW.
Kel
Well-known member
I will not buy a seat that I can not wash the head part. Kids sweat, vomit {to the side, I've had It in their ears, lol}, and have dirty hands sometimes.
The foonf looks like a GREAT seat though. I just like being able to wash the whole cover.
Adorkable, this might not be the seat for you. I wanted to love this seat to, but nope, not happening because of the cover.
The good news is there's lots of other great seat's out there. To each their own.
Kelley
The foonf looks like a GREAT seat though. I just like being able to wash the whole cover.
Adorkable, this might not be the seat for you. I wanted to love this seat to, but nope, not happening because of the cover.
The good news is there's lots of other great seat's out there. To each their own.
Kelley
Phineasmama
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Wait, did I miss how a pillow case keeps a car seat from vomit?
safeinthecar
Moderator - CPS Technician
FWIW, I think the pillow case slipcover idea for the headrest is a neat idea and I think you should make one and contract with Clek to sell them as an approved accessory.
That being said: We have a private section to talk about things like modifications to a seat that are unlikely to cause any harm without seeming like we are advocating modifications in general. We aren't unreasonable, but very few of us want to take the risk of being the one the general public misunderstands.
There are also ways of making it clear on the public forums that we are just speculating and understand that doing more than speculating comes with a certain set of risks.
If the pillow case idea had been phrased as "You know I have X, Y, Z experience making sewn products and I'm thinking I could easily make a perfectly fitting head rest cover. *I* can't see a reason (as opposed to nobody could see a reason, which is like..a dare or something to come up with one) this can cause a safety issue" people may not have felt the need to question.
On the subject of that, if you post something you know is questionable practice, and state that you know it is questionable, then I'm not sure why you are upset at being questioned.
I think you ask very thought provoking questions, and that is a GOOD THING. I hope you stick around and realize that we're all on the same team here, even when we are taking the conservative approach.
That being said: We have a private section to talk about things like modifications to a seat that are unlikely to cause any harm without seeming like we are advocating modifications in general. We aren't unreasonable, but very few of us want to take the risk of being the one the general public misunderstands.
There are also ways of making it clear on the public forums that we are just speculating and understand that doing more than speculating comes with a certain set of risks.
If the pillow case idea had been phrased as "You know I have X, Y, Z experience making sewn products and I'm thinking I could easily make a perfectly fitting head rest cover. *I* can't see a reason (as opposed to nobody could see a reason, which is like..a dare or something to come up with one) this can cause a safety issue" people may not have felt the need to question.
On the subject of that, if you post something you know is questionable practice, and state that you know it is questionable, then I'm not sure why you are upset at being questioned.
I think you ask very thought provoking questions, and that is a GOOD THING. I hope you stick around and realize that we're all on the same team here, even when we are taking the conservative approach.
LISmama810
Admin - CPS Technician
Adorkable said:
ketchupqueen said:
And Adorkable DID start a thread along those lines the other day--a thread in which CPSTs chimed in, and not necessarily negatively, either.
What I actually said was that I already understood that some folks would object and I knew their objections and personally did not agree so it was a moot point in this particular case. I understand now that this is a group that feels the legitimate need to reply with rose objections again because of their professional roles.ketchupqueen said:
I actually have a thread like that and I think we have had some interesting talking happen I there. I mistakenly thought this what a tiny side thought and seriously didn't mean for it derail this thread.
Speeding of that can we just stop right here? I get it ok. I clearly am cut from a different cloth than many of you and my conversational posting style rubs many of you the wrong way. While I'm not suddenly going to become something different and easier to swallow, I will strive to remember to whom I'm talking to in future post.
And since we can assume I'm not an mind worth trying to change on this particular, non life or death, subject; let's all agree we have better things to talk about.
An apology can go a long way in situations like this...
If you are referring to me, I have acknowledged the misunderstandings that I saw happen and where I think things went astray. As for my opinion or feeling like I do, I have nothing to apologies for. Nore do I expect anyone else too.
We disagree, and we all feel passionately about things. A few really snarky things have been said, many towards me, probably a few by me, that's a bummer but well all get past it.
Goodnight folks
V
VanIsleMommy
Guest
adorkable, with regards to car seat aftermarket products, the thing is unless it has been tested and we know it's safe, we as techs (and car seat employees etc) can't officially suggest using it. if we do, and something happens, we are liable.
plus we just don't know how something like that may perform in a crash. then there are the requirements of lead testing, fire retardant, the ability of the fabric to stand up to UV exposure and high heat.. then there are child safety issues.. what if a kid pulls a cover off and chokes or strangles themselves, or ingests something from it.
then there is the dumb@ss factor. the very people warnings on matches are made for. say you made some perfect cover, and someone's grandmother thinks "that's a great idea! i'm going to make one too!" knowing nothing about car seats or safety. then that kid is ejected in a crash because the cover interfered with the harness.
so if you ask car seat folks about aftermarket products, the official stance will always be - DON'T USE THEM.
plus we just don't know how something like that may perform in a crash. then there are the requirements of lead testing, fire retardant, the ability of the fabric to stand up to UV exposure and high heat.. then there are child safety issues.. what if a kid pulls a cover off and chokes or strangles themselves, or ingests something from it.
then there is the dumb@ss factor. the very people warnings on matches are made for. say you made some perfect cover, and someone's grandmother thinks "that's a great idea! i'm going to make one too!" knowing nothing about car seats or safety. then that kid is ejected in a crash because the cover interfered with the harness.
so if you ask car seat folks about aftermarket products, the official stance will always be - DON'T USE THEM.
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