Those with parkway sg

[Baylor]

I'm pretty sure you're right.



Please cite your source. I'd bet real money that the reverse is true. I live in a state with approximately 3.85 million cows (vs just over 3 million people), and I bet my child is more likely to submarine out of a booster than he is to get struck by a cow. I doubt either of us could prove it one way or the other, though.



Isn't it amazing how people latch on to ONE, offhand, insignificant comment and turn you into a child torturer? I'm less concerned with comfort than I am with safety, but I do consider both. My kid might be more comfortable sleeping lying down in the car, but that's not safe, so obviously, I make her use a booster. I thought your meaning was self evident, and those who are choosing to misconstrue your words aren't going to be persuaded otherwise, no matter what you say, so you may as well ignore them.

Thanks. And absolutely true.. Thanks for being a voice of reason and rationale.

 

[Aurezalia]

I think what we see on almost all of her threads, are our senior members and CPST's scrambling to correct and clarify assumptions and statements that Baylor is making; we don't want lurkers going away with incorrect information. However, from what I've seen, unlike most people who gratefully accept the corrected information and move on, Baylor seems to get defensive and start arguing with everyone - and the thread degenerates into this. :shrug-shoulders:

 

[Baylor]

I think what we see on almost all of her threads, are our senior members and CPST's scrambling to correct and clarify assumptions and statements that Baylor is making; we don't want lurkers going away with incorrect information. However, from what I've seen, unlike most people who gratefully accept the corrected information and move on, Baylor seems to get defensive and start arguing with everyone - and the thread degenerates into this. :shrug-shoulders:

I think you need to go back and read. I said nothing wrong.. just made a comment and got some really not necessary replies.

I am not giving bad information. This is all because I said I want a SG with a crotch clip for my son. That is it..

 

[kidzndogz]

You don't know he will be fine. That is really not okay to say.. As to just brush off how I feel about keeping my kids safe.. I am in charge of their safety. you don't want to use it fine, but If I do what the heck is wrong with that. My son is skinny and I feel like he will be safer and take away chance of submarining what is the big deal. I know there are adults who have submarined under a belt and been injured. So really while I appreciate the comments... I don't see why it always has to come down to snarky comments.

And you don't know that he won't. That's the point. So we go with the studies that have shown that an average sized, neurotypical, developmentally caught up 6 year old child is safe in a booster, with or without the SG. Yes, it's fine and safe to use it for your kid, but don't go and make it sound like you are making the decision to keep your kid safe while everyone else is putting their kid in a regular booster, which might as well be a Rubbermaid bin on top of the roof.


YOU were the one that just stated you don't care about comfort. Yet you've stated in previous threads that you won't buy a Scenera or other basic seat because of lack of comfort. That is what I was pointing out.

I am not brushing off how you keep your kids safe and to even make that statement is implying that the rest of us don't do what we can to ensure our own children's safety. Why the heck do you think I am a CPST? Just so I can climb around in people's dirty cars with my butt in the air? Um, no. It is to educate people on how to keep their children safe. A booster at an appropriate age is safe. Supplying people with car seats to use inappropriately is not. Don't come here and insult us. It's fine to have an opinion on these things, they are your kids. But don't come here and repeatedly post stuff that you KNOW isn't agreed with here and get all defensive when people suggest to you otherwise.

Also, consider using the search feature. Half the things you ask about could be answered in thread search results without starting a thread that ALWAYS derails to this. It would save you a lot of defending.

 

[Keeanh]

I think you need to go back and read. I said nothing wrong.. just made a comment and got some really not necessary replies.

I am not giving bad information. This is all because I said I want a SG with a crotch clip for my son. That is it..

I did go back and read the whole thread. This has nothing to do with the booster. You asked a question and got answers. You could have said "Thank you" and been done with it. Instead you articulated concerns and people kindly offered you assurances. Again, you could have said "Thank you" and been done with it. Some people made comments about the SG clip which were not in any way directed towards you. You could have walked away from the thread because your question had been answered. I think the senior members have been extremely patient with you.

 

[Chely7425]

Here is the issue as I see it.. OP, you seem to implying that there is SUCH a huge difference in safety between SG clip vs. no SG that it is worth making your child uncomfortable. THat is what people are taking issue with... there is no research proving it is safer, and what everyone has said is that your on the large sized 6.5 year old is perfectly safe in ANY booster that fits him and your car well. This is not an issue worth creating discomfort and/or pain for a child. Now, if you had a 2 year old who was saying that ZOMG my legs are going to fall off from RF and you FFed him because of that? Yes, there is a significant difference in safety from RFing and FFing for a 2 year old. I would not switch my 2 year old FF because he was uncomfortable RF, I would howveer try and find him a RF seat that he was more comfortable in.

Nobody wants a new person to come to this board and read this thread and think ZOMG I must buy my average sized, neuro-typical 6.5 year old a Parkway SG because he will obviously submarine and die without it, as that is nowehre near true.

 

[Loves2sing]

I think any child ready to be in a booster, would have no trouble at all putting the seat belt through the strap.:twocents:

I also plan on getting the SG for my daughter once her marathon expires. I plan on using the strap, however, if she feels it is uncomfortable, we won't. As I don't plan on putting her in it until she is ready, and fits properly in a booster seat.

Her comfort however, is very important to me, as her comfort was the main reason I bought a marathon over any other seat when we were ready for a convertible, as she would have been just as safe in a scenera, but especially on a long trip, her comfort is extremley important to me. Not only do I want her safe, but I don't want to hear her whine for the entire duration of the car ride.

 

[Aurezalia]

I think you need to go back and read. I said nothing wrong.. just made a comment and got some really not necessary replies.

I am not giving bad information. This is all because I said I want a SG with a crotch clip for my son. That is it..

That, truthfully, is "not it." You've continually argued with members throughout this entire thread on several points concerning safety... and are now arguing with me on whether or not you're being argumentative.
I think it's time you took a step back and really look at how you're portraying yourself here.

 

[kidzndogz]

I did go back and read the whole thread. This has nothing to do with the booster. You asked a question and got answers. You could have said "Thank you" and been done with it. Instead you articulated concerns and people kindly offered you assurances. Again, you could have said "Thank you" and been done with it. Some people made comments about the SG clip which were not in any way directed towards you. You could have walked away from the thread because your question had been answered. I think the senior members have been extremely patient with you.

Yes. Patience has run rampant in this board lately. As has tact. Which is difficult to have when a new poster comes, asks questions then instead of thanking for the answers and moving on, continues to argue her choices while continuously commenting about how insecure she is with them.

We can give you the information. Only you can make the choice. So please take the information you are supplied with and do so, without filling up what should be a helpful and educational forum with arguments and repetition. I realize temperament and tone are hard to read in the written word...and I think sometimes it gets misconstrued. I am guilty of that many times over. But seriously, gather what you need and move on. Otherwise it never ends.

And my biggest problem with your threads is the misrepresentation it gives to newcomers searching for safe information. That is a contradiction of the purpose of this board. Therefore we have to continuously post in your threads with MORE information so new lurkers won't be misguided, which you then argue with, and we AGAIN have to post. It's a cycle.

 

[Baylor]

With all due respect, I am not arguing with anyone. I made a comment that got blown out of the water.. I am okay with people not agreeing with what I decide but to act like I am a terrible mother or out and out wrong because I want to make my kids as safe as I can in the car, Is just not warranted. To me this definitely falls under parental decision whether I would use the strap or not. I don't need the comments that make it seem like I am nuts because I choose to use all the afforded safety measures.

I am not arguing really I am not. Maybe it is coming across differently than I intend. I am happy to get the information. I get that some of you think I am suffering from car seat obsession.. Maybe I am. I know this, When I came here, I thought I would find out I was doing it all right.. I was doing my best to keep the kids safe in my car. I found out that I was not. That I had used after market products including that unforgivable mighty tite, and was devastated. When I first found out what could have happened, I was sick and sad.

I am trying to pick a good booster for my son. I am trying to pick the one with the best safety options for my kids. That is all. I only started this thread to find out about kids being able to buckle themselves in the SG. That is it.

 

[kidzndogz]

With all due respect, I am not arguing with anyone. I made a comment that got blown out of the water.. I am okay with people not agreeing with what I decide but to act like I am a terrible mother or out and out wrong because I want to make my kids as safe as I can in the car, Is just not warranted. To me this definitely falls under parental decision whether I would use the strap or not. I don't need the comments that make it seem like I am nuts because I choose to use all the afforded safety measures.

I am not arguing really I am not. Maybe it is coming across differently than I intend. I am happy to get the information. I get that some of you think I am suffering from car seat obsession.. Maybe I am. I know this, When I came here, I thought I would find out I was doing it all right.. I was doing my best to keep the kids safe in my car. I found out that I was not. That I had used after market products including that unforgivable mighty tite, and was devastated. When I first found out what could have happened, I was sick and sad.

I am trying to pick a good booster for my son. I am trying to pick the one with the best safety options for my kids. That is all. I only started this thread to find out about kids being able to buckle themselves in the SG. That is it.

Your whole first paragraph is you arguing about arguing. Just take the info and stop protesting it.

if you are looking for a good booster, then kudos to you for doing research! (that is not snark, I'm being serious). Please check out the review section and do a thread search...there are many VERY very helpful threads on booster selection. I read through all of them when I booster trained my 5 year old nanny child.

 

[LISmama810]

I am trying to pick a good booster for my son. I am trying to pick the one with the best safety options for my kids. That is all. I only started this thread to find out about kids being able to buckle themselves in the SG. That is it.

That's the thing, though: Any benefit is theoretical. (I personally think it could be detrimental, but I suppose that's beside the point.)

I get the idea of picking a seat because something "feels" safer, but unless there are studies proving that something IS safer, it's kind of pointless to fret about it.

I'm looking at getting a seat right now that has a feature that *feels* safer to me than others, but I have no way of knowing whether it really is, so I'm not going to go around insisting that it's better when I have no proof that it is.

And I think that's what it boils down to: Your insistence that the PWSG is safer than others, when it's not (as far as we know).

If you want that seat, that's fine. If you want to use that seat with the clip, that's fine. But it's not fine to insist that it's the safest option when we don't know that it is.

 

[LM4M]

I think there's a difference between someone who is genuinely concerned about specific aspects of a seat and someone who likes to repeatedly ask questions to start an uproar then play the "I'm just concerned about safety" card. I don't buy it. If you have a question, ask the question and listen to what people tell you. Don't ask and then argue with them. If you already think you know best, what's the point of the question in the first place?

 

[Baylor]

That's the thing, though: Any benefit is theoretical. (I personally think it could be detrimental, but I suppose that's beside the point.)

I get the idea of picking a seat because something "feels" safer, but unless there are studies proving that something IS safer, it's kind of pointless to fret about it.

I'm looking at getting a seat right now that has a feature that *feels* safer to me than others, but I have no way of knowing whether it really is, so I'm not going to go around insisting that it's better when I have no proof that it is.

And I think that's what it boils down to: Your insistence that the PWSG is safer than others, when it's not (as far as we know).

If you want that seat, that's fine. If you want to use that seat with the clip, that's fine. But it's not fine to insist that it's the safest option when we don't know that it is.

I did not mean to infer that. Thanks for pointing that out.. you are right it is about perspective. That was not my intent.

 

[katiesmommy]

Here is the issue as I see it.. OP, you seem to implying that there is SUCH a huge difference in safety between SG clip vs. no SG that it is worth making your child uncomfortable. THat is what people are taking issue with... there is no research proving it is safer, and what everyone has said is that your on the large sized 6.5 year old is perfectly safe in ANY booster that fits him and your car well. This is not an issue worth creating discomfort and/or pain for a child.

:yeahthat:

There's no evidence that the SG clip makes this booster safer than any other booster on the market. None, zero, zip zilch! You feel that it's safer, but you can't for certain say that it is because there's no research to that effect. Your 6 year old is perfectly large enough to be safe without the clip with the risk of him submarining being very very minimal. There's no reason to potentially force your child to be uncomfortable which may make him move about for something you only perceive to be safer.

Frankly Baylor, you wouldn't have people coming at you so much if you would stop being so argumentative all the time.

 

[P1ally]

Thread over?

 

[SafeDad]

I hope so, unless anyone has anything constructive to add.

 

[Unregistered1]

I do. It's constructive, I promise.

Before I took the CPST class, I was what some might call overzealous I was one of the people who thought Britax was best and putting your kid in a scenera was not to care about him/her. I went into the CPST class with this attitude and it was NOT well received. And I was told something on the first day of class, that completely changed what kind of tech I am and how I look at my role:

We cannot ever make parents feel like their best is not enough. Not everyone can afford the fanciest seat with the newest features. If you can, and you want to, that's fine, but to represent to others that this is 'best' makes them feel inadequate that they are unable to provide the fanciest seats to their children - at which point they might just decide it's too expensive to do it 'your' way and they can't do it and they'll just go back to using their garage sale shield booster, since clearly their best efforts won't be good enough anyways. We don't want that. The goal of any car seat education is for the child to leave safER than he/she was before. If the best a parent can do is FF their two year old in a cosco hbb provided by the state? Still better than the expired, recalled shield booster he rode in in. Our goal here at c-s.org is to help everyone within the constraints of their situation, to present best practice (which is, by definition, to use the seat that fits your car, fits your child, and that you can use correctly every time) and then allow parents to make choices, guilt-free, within (or outside - they are the parents) those constraints. Sometimes parents don't choose best practice. You have to pick your battles or they'll write off *everything* you say - and better for them to stick around and learn about ERF than to run off feeling inferior and guilty about not using the slideguard clip - kwim?

I think some of us get so excited about doing the absolute *best* thing when we first learn about child passenger safety, that we forget that our primary goal is to educate and improve the safety of the general public, that not everyone can afford the same things, and that what we say with regards to our own situations can be applied by anyone reading to *their* situations. There is no best car seat. As long as you are using the car seat within the manufacturer's guidelines and according to best practice, your child is safe. The last thing we want is for anyone to feel like because they can't go *all the way* like some do, that car seat safety is not a topic applicable to their lives.

 

[Baylor]

Thanks for that. It makes perfect sense. While my intention was not to claim best or better than, I see that it could have come across that way..

Thanks for that great post.

 

[mlohry]

This is just my experience with the Pkwy. SG and SGL, neither seats fit my boys properly. They hit both of them way too high on their stomachs, the only way I would have used that seat was with the clip. I don't think it should be necessary to have a clip to properly fit my boys. I chose boosters that properly fit my boys the way they were meant to, with just a seatbelt.