JJ Cole Bundle me crash test???

mykidsmylife · Nov 30, 2007

The Bundle Mes were crash tested.. So what are the reasons the are not recomended ? Has anyone seen the crashtest? Someone asked me and I want to know what to tell them. Obviously since they know it was crash tested and passed they think it is safe so I need proof it isnt.

Here is what the website says:

Crash Tested - FMVSS 213

Tests performed on infant car seats with the Bundle Me® installed found that the car seats complied with the Restraint System Integrity and Occupant Excursion portions of the FMVSS 213 requirements.

Thanks so much

wendytthomas · Nov 30, 2007

There are no crash test standards for aftermarket products. I could throw it against the wall and say that it passed FMVSS 213 (which regulates carseats, NOT aftermarket products). There's nothing to pass. If I hand you a test that's a blank piece of paper you can say you sailed through the class with flying colors. If that's a test to operate a bulldozer and then I let you out, would you know how to operate the machine and not kill someone? No because I didn't test you to any standards. You could still be a deadly weapon labeled in a nice "tested" package.

Wendy

mykidsmylife · Nov 30, 2007

LOL. So most likely they never even did an ACTUAL crash test as they claim? Has anyone ever contaced them about this??
I just want to be as informed as possible when I take this info to my friend.
Thanks

wendytthomas · Nov 30, 2007

You can call anyone and they won't tell you HOW they tested or what the exact results were. Except Sunshine Kids. They publish. But even Britax, if you call them with the questions you just asked they won't tell you. Though they DO have to pass FMVSS 213 otherwise they get slapped with more fines than are financially comfortable. Not to mention lawsuits and the cost of recalls.

Wendy

mykidsmylife · Nov 30, 2007

ahh.. well that just sucks. Im going to talk to her more about this.. She is the type that researches and since it was crash tested, unless there is proof it failed , she probably wont listen to me.

Thanks

wendytthomas · Nov 30, 2007

Well, if she likes to research, put her here. http://www.carseat.org/Legal/FMVSS213.pdf It has the actual laws and standards of FMVSS 213. She can read through all of that mess. She won't see a single blurb saying anything about her bundle me.

Wendy

tjham · Nov 30, 2007

I like the "throwing it against the wall" analogy!

They could have put it on ONE seat (with harness slots that matched its holes) and done some form of crash testing, but that doesn't automatically mean it would work with every or any other seat!

The only way I have heard of to safely use one is to cut the back out of it so the harness straps are not compromised and there is nothing between the baby and the carseat.

wendytthomas · Nov 30, 2007

In which case you may as well just go out and buy this. http://www.toysrus.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2501237 It's less expensive, safe, and requires no modifications.

Wendy

tjham · Nov 30, 2007

Or this one at Walmart.

http://boards.babycenter.com/n/pfx/...tag=bcus9421&Ad=com.bc.common.AdInfo@78b96b93

mykidsmylife · Dec 1, 2007

Does that cat come with that cover??? LOL...

I am emailing her all this. Lets see if it works.

wendytthomas · Dec 1, 2007

Awwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww

My cats LOVE carseats. If I bring one in I get three of them in there. They fight over them. But they will sleep for hours in one. Doesn't matter what it is or what cover. Snugride, Advantage, Wizard, Century, Parkway, doesn't matter.

Wendy

Judi · Dec 1, 2007

The bundle me, is just like wearing a coat in a car seat. When it compresses, there will be a lot of slack in the harness. So now that nice warm baby could be flying through the air!

mykidsmylife · Dec 1, 2007

But she did the compression test and it doesnt. I was right there with her. That is why I was looking for more info... But I am passing all this on to her.

ThreeBeans · Dec 1, 2007

So...they 'crash tested' it with every available infant seat on the market? Everything you can buy on the shelves today PLUS everything that's been available in the last 6-8 years?

Somehow I doubt it

CDNTech · Dec 1, 2007

While you can do the compression test with the Bundle Me and it would most likely pass... that is not the problem with it.

The problem is the routing of the harness. They have two long slits down the sides that are velcroed together. Presumably this is so that you don't have to rethread the straps if putting it in/out of the carseat/stroller.

Those openings are no where even near where a harness lies in it's natural path. If you are using a Bundle me, the harness will not be routed correctly, could easily become caught up on something causing unnecessary slack and is just plain not safe for that reason.

See this post for pictures of what I mean...
http://www.car-seat.org/showpost.php?p=275076&postcount=33

SusanMae · Dec 1, 2007

I've called and talked to CS at Bundle Me.

They did "crash test" them at an independent lab. And the restraints they used "appear" to pass the crash testing.

They tested with the Britax infant seat and the Peg Perego Infant Seat "because all infant seats are basically the same."

That is what I got out of them almost a year ago.

Susan

mykidsmylife · Dec 1, 2007

aidensmom02 said:
While you can do the compression test with the Bundle Me and it would most likely pass... that is not the problem with it.

The problem is the routing of the harness. They have two long slits down the sides that are velcroed together. Presumably this is so that you don't have to rethread the straps if putting it in/out of the carseat/stroller.

Those openings are no where even near where a harness lies in it's natural path. If you are using a Bundle me, the harness will not be routed correctly, could easily become caught up on something causing unnecessary slack and is just plain not safe for that reason.

See this post for pictures of what I mean...
http://www.car-seat.org/showpost.php?p=275076&postcount=33

THANK YOU!!!! THiS is EXACTLY the info I need!!!! Thanks so much!

griffinmom · Dec 1, 2007

myboysmylife said:
But she did the compression test and it doesnt. I was right there with her. That is why I was looking for more info... But I am passing all this on to her.

You can't do a compression test. The only compression test that would be valid is one that is done with crash forces which (I'm assuming) you can't replicate in the comfort of your own home!

I have talked to the JJ Cole people at infant/children shows. They have sent me copies of the "testing" they did (I want to say it was done at Patuxent NAS, but I can't put my hands on it right now). As others have pointed out, if there is no standard to test to (and there isn't), it can't pass a none-existant test.

Good for you for following up with your friend. I hope that she will be convinced by the harness routing problem.

I live in Maryland where it rarely gets "really" cold. We have a few cold days, but it is not like Northern Minnesota! I'm horrified by how people dress and bundle their children in infant seats (and probably inconvertibles as well, but I can't see them as easily). Those poor kids must be so overheated (in addition to being unsafe!)!

gwenvet · Dec 1, 2007

If she really wants to use the Bundle Me, she could cut out a large rectangle in the back of it so that there is nothing between the child and the seat.

Mama! · Dec 1, 2007

In college, I worked in a baby store.In a very very frigid area of the country. People would bring little babies in bundled in HUGE snowsuits strapped in carseats. The straps on those baby buckets would be let all the way out to accomodate those big fluffy snowsuits.

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