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    Side impact crashes and rfing seats..

    is there any data that they do better than ff seats in this type of crash?
    A five stepper and a booster rider

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    Re: Side impact crashes and rfing seats..

    Yes, absolutely.

    In side crashes, however, children in FFCSs were much more likely to be injured (OR = 5.53, 95% CI 3.74 to 8.18).
    http://injuryprevention.bmj.com/cont...6/398.abstract

    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C10hE5wrMVM"]YouTube - Crash Test 2010 - 20** Suzuki Swift (Full Test) EuroNcap[/ame]

    Pay attention at the 40 second mark. That's the rear facing child with intrusion on their side of the car. They look downright comfortable compared to everyone else.

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    Remember, too, that most real-life side-impacts involve frontal motion, too. (A car moving forward through an intersection, then getting t-boned.)

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    Re: Side impact crashes and rfing seats..

    Thanks for that!
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    Re: Side impact crashes and rfing seats..

    Quote Originally Posted by LISmama810 View Post
    Remember, too, that most real-life side-impacts involve frontal motion, too. (A car moving forward through an intersection, then getting t-boned.)
    That makes sense.. Thanks.
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    Re: Side impact crashes and rfing seats..

    One more thing.. Do you see higher weight rfacing seats in out future?
    A five stepper and a booster rider

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    Re: Side impact crashes and rfing seats..

    Not unless FMVSS changes. I can't imagine seats passing at greater than 45# without the use of a foot prop or mandatory anti-rebound feature.
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    Re: Side impact crashes and rfing seats..

    Even in Sweden their seats go to 40-55 pounds. So we're right in there with them.

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    Re: Side impact crashes and rfing seats..

    Wendy- In the video, the last test, of the adult dummy- Any idea what that simulation is? It appears that it could be a frontal inpact with a RF seat/dummy. I could be wrong, but it appears to be moving to the left of the screen and impacting there too. But the seat and dummy are facing right.

    If so, it would be a great way to show people the HUGE difference of forces between FF and RF. It doesnt look very bad, however I'm sure most adults have been in a car accident and can remember the impact( when FFing) in a real life accident.

    Bella, 5yo 46lbs, FF in Nauti and XTSL
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    Re: Side impact crashes and rfing seats..

    Pretty sure the last one is a rear crash simulation.

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    Re: Side impact crashes and rfing seats..

    I gotta ask.. What happens to rfing kids in a rear impact crash? And are they usually the better of the crash options? If there is such a thing?
    A five stepper and a booster rider

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    Re: Side impact crashes and rfing seats..

    Quote Originally Posted by Baylor View Post
    I gotta ask.. What happens to rfing kids in a rear impact crash?
    You may also search for this information in the archives or using Google. There are a number of webpages and threads that discuss this very issue.

    In general, rear imacts are less common and are much less energetic crashes and are not nearly as dangerous to child occupants as frontal or side impacts.

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    Re: Side impact crashes and rfing seats..

    Pretty sure these answers are in the links I posted yesterday, but I guess that wasn't the question you were asking then
    Here's the link again, it's got all the studies you need... http://carseatblog.com/5168/why-rear...rf-link-guide/
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    Re: Side impact crashes and rfing seats..

    Quote Originally Posted by joolsplus3 View Post
    Pretty sure these answers are in the links I posted yesterday, but I guess that wasn't the question you were asking then
    Here's the link again, it's got all the studies you need... http://carseatblog.com/5168/why-rear...rf-link-guide/
    Thanks. Sometimes I just get wrapped up in the conversation and forget to look. Thanks for the link.
    A five stepper and a booster rider

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