Some Clarification on the Peg LATCH limits

leblanlm · Feb 7, 2012

So I just got off the phone with the Peg Perego CPST and got some clarification on the LATCH limits of the new convertible seat.

I was told that the actual limit is going to be 40lbs. But they definitely encourage the use of LATCH for installs. They said that it is the same recommendation as with their infant seat. According to them "both of the seats have little room for error, so we recommend a LATCH install." The convertible does not come with a locking clip either and this is because they feel that all cars now have switchable retractors and LATCH, thus making a locking clip not essential.

FYI- none of this is stated in their manual. Just the info that I posted a picture of is given.

jeminijad · Feb 7, 2012

Well, they may be right that most people buying $300 car seats drive newer cars with locking seatbelts & LATCH. I'm sure they've done some research. But it seems VERY odd to omit a $1 item that would ensure it could be used in every car- rather elitist.

And 'both of the seats have little room for error' is not my most favorite thing ever.

Brianna · Feb 7, 2012

I'm wondering why they didn't put 40 pounds in the manual if that's the limit?? And if LATCH is better for their installation- why do they mandate you use a seat belt for the last 5 pounds RF?

No matter what I do, a convertible installed RF with a switchable retractor locks for me- within the first few uses. My LATCH in the middle is offset resulting in the seat tipping off of the center hump. Even though I have LATCH and a switchable retractor, I prefer a locking clip.

wendytthomas · Feb 7, 2012

I guess none of their clients travel. Is a locking clip allowed, or incompatible?

Wendy

LISmama810 · Feb 7, 2012

wendytthomas said:
I guess none of their clients travel. Is a locking clip allowed, or incompatible?

Wendy

If a seat doesn't have lockoffs, I don't think it's allowed to be incompatible with a locking clip. You have to be able to install a seat with a seatbelt.

FTR, Chicco doesn't include locking clips with the KeyFit, although they'll send them if you call. The rep says no one ever has. (Granted, there are lockoffs on the base, but presumably people travel without it.)

The Regent didn't come with a locking clip or lock-offs. It's not unprecedented to not include one.

I still find Peg's LATCH stance bizarre, though, and I want to know if they truly believe LATCH is easier, or if it's because their seats (infant, at least) are a PITA to install with a belt. I also want to know if they prefer LATCH on the side over belt in the center.

wendytthomas · Feb 7, 2012

Chicco does not allow a locking clip. If you don't bring a base and you have a non locking belt it's incompatible. I tell parents with a Keyfit to always travel internationally with the base.

Wendy

LISmama810 · Feb 7, 2012

wendytthomas said:
Chicco does not allow a locking clip. If you don't bring a base and you have a non locking belt it's incompatible. I tell parents with a Keyfit to always travel internationally with the base.

Wendy

Hmm. The rep specifically said that they will send a locking clip to people who want to use it baseless without locking belts. I have never heard that it is incompatible.

wendytthomas · Feb 7, 2012

NEVER install CARRIER without Base using a non-locking vehicle belt. The installation will NOT be secure. Refer to your vehicle owner’s manual for detailed vehicle belt information.

No note (like the Frontier) to contact them to get a locking clip. The manual doesn't mention a locking clip at all.

UNSAFE Vehicle Belts
The.following.types.of.vehicle.belts.MUST. NOT.be.used.to.install.this.Child.Restraint:
1 .Motorized.(automatic).vehicle.belts.
2 .Door.mounted.vehicle.belts..
3 .Lap/Shoulder.Belts.with.2.retractors, . (unless.Lap.Belt.has.a.“Lock.Mode”).
1 retractor tensions the Lap Belt and 1 tensions the Shoulder Belt.
4 .Non-Locking.(ELR).Lap.Belts. . (Emergency.Locking.Retractors)
These belts remain loose after installation and only lock during a sudden stop or crash.

Excuse the formatting. It doesn't like being c&p'ed from a pdf apparently.

Wendy

LISmama810 · Feb 7, 2012

I've emailed Julie for clarification.

LISmama810 · Feb 8, 2012

Here is Julie's reply re: locking clips with the Key Fit:

Chicco does not send a locking clip. However, Chicco does not prohibit use of a locking clip when installing just the carrier.

Chicco recommends always using the base, except when installing in aircraft. If a vehicle has a lap-shoulder belt with an ELR, it is strongly recommended the base be used.

wendytthomas · Feb 8, 2012

Awesome, thanks!

Wendy

canadiangie · Feb 8, 2012

leblanlm said:
So I just got off the phone with the Peg Perego CPST and got some clarification on the LATCH limits of the new convertible seat.

I was told that the actual limit is going to be 40lbs. But they definitely encourage the use of LATCH for installs. They said that it is the same recommendation as with their infant seat. According to them "both of the seats have little room for error, so we recommend a LATCH install." The convertible does not come with a locking clip either and this is because they feel that all cars now have switchable retractors and LATCH, thus making a locking clip not essential.

FYI- none of this is stated in their manual. Just the info that I posted a picture of is given.

I know the convertible has lockoffs, but it's just FF lockoffs, right??

eyeslkethesky5391 · Feb 8, 2012

canadiangie said:
I know the convertible has lockoffs, but it's just FF lockoffs, right??

Yes just ff lock offs no rf lockoffs which really doesn't make since to me

ketchupqueen · Feb 8, 2012

Well, to be fair, if we assume most people will have newer cars who buy this car seat, so LATCH will be available- almost no kid is going to get beyond 40 lbs. RF with that shell height, right? I mean, there's still the center LATCH being unavailable in many cars issue, but it makes a little more sense.

gigi · Feb 8, 2012

ketchupqueen said:
Well, to be fair, if we assume most people will have newer cars who buy this car seat, so LATCH will be available- almost no kid is going to get beyond 40 lbs. RF with that shell height, right? I mean, there's still the center LATCH being unavailable in many cars issue, but it makes a little more sense.

I thought it was virtually as tall as a radian? Did I read that wrong?

LISmama810 · Feb 8, 2012

ketchupqueen said:
Well, to be fair, if we assume most people will have newer cars who buy this car seat, so LATCH will be available- almost no kid is going to get beyond 40 lbs. RF with that shell height, right? I mean, there's still the center LATCH being unavailable in many cars issue, but it makes a little more sense.

Center LATCH is kind of a big deal, though, IMO.

ketchupqueen · Feb 8, 2012

Oh, it is- but apparently it never has been to Peg, since their infant seat has recommended LATCH when available as long as I've been reading their manuals.

ketchupqueen · Feb 8, 2012

gigi said:
I thought it was virtually as tall as a radian? Did I read that wrong?

Everything I've seen has said much shorter shell for rear-facing? Where did you see a Radian comparison? I'd be very interested to see it if so! (I've been pretty meh on it so far.)

gigi · Feb 9, 2012

I thought the thread with measurements from a few days ago indicated that it had similar harness height and torso room (if you go by top of headrest not top of shell). Also it looked like the child in the "3 y.o. in the Peg convertible" thread had room to rearface still (they were in store pics though, not installed). I could be completely mistaken and have misunderstood though.

I really hoped the height comes near the Radian because I'd love a good alternative for my baby. Maybe I read too much into it :/

Stelvis · Feb 9, 2012

I believe the shell is shorter, but unlike a Britax you can RF to 1" from the top of the movable headrest. I believe that's the difference and why it comes close to the Radian.

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