In a Crash Today Pictures Included

[brightredmtn]

As my brain is slowly coming back from the concussion I have more to add.

I had one of those mirrors that hook onto the top tether anchor. I figured that since it was hooked onto the car it wouldn't be a potential projectile. WRONG! It ended up on the floor of the car behind DS. DS does have a very small bruise on his forehead and I can only think that is from the mirror hitting him . It was very soft so not too bad but still.

 

[Adventuredad]

What a terrible accident! Glad everyone is ok. Hope things work out with the broken ribs. Looks like the TWE performed very well.:thumbsup:

A good example of RF seats in general being extremely safe also in rear facing collisions which most parents doubt.

Seems like insurance won't be an issue. If you're not paid in full for your seat expense just let me know and the rest will be covered from my side. Do you want a new seat shipped right away? I can ship one to you tomorrow and it will be there on Wednesday, Thursday at the latest. We can take care of payment when insurance has been worked out.

Hope 2010 is better for you than 2009

 

[brightredmtn]

What a terrible accident! Glad everyone is ok. Hope things work out with the broken ribs. Looks like the TWE performed very well.:thumbsup:

A good example of RF seats in general being extremely safe also in rear facing collisions which most parents doubt.

Seems like insurance won't be an issue. If you're not paid in full for your seat expense just let me know and the rest will be covered from my side. Do you want a new seat shipped right away? I can ship one to you tomorrow and it will be there on Wednesday, Thursday at the latest. We can take care of payment when insurance has been worked out.

Hope 2010 is better for you than 2009

You rock AD!

 

[canadiangie]

Glad you're okay!

I almost think it was too bad it wasn't as hardcore a crash but a frontal collision--put that TWE to good use!

What a year, though.. I've had years like those--I split with ex-DH, lost my job in the dot bomb, lost six figures of 401k in same, and then had 10 days to exit the country after losing my job because my visa was instantly expired...all while having ONE class remaining to finish my degree at my local university. No car crash cherry-on-top though.

Happy car(seat) shopping!

-Nicole.

LOL, I so wanted to say something like that, but couldn't think of how. Glad he's okay, but all I can think is what are the chances a ERF 3y/o is in a severe crash, in an Euro seat, tethered rf, the whole shebang, and it's initially a REAR impact crash?! Oh well, like I said, glad he's okay.

 

[ZephyrBlue]

Seems like insurance won't be an issue. If you're not paid in full for your seat expense just let me know and the rest will be covered from my side. Do you want a new seat shipped right away? I can ship one to you tomorrow and it will be there on Wednesday, Thursday at the latest. We can take care of payment when insurance has been worked out.

:thumbsup: Wow!

 

[brightredmtn]

:thumbsup: Wow!

I know right?!?! So so amazing!!!!

 

[nmb]

Seems like insurance won't be an issue. If you're not paid in full for your seat expense just let me know and the rest will be covered from my side. Do you want a new seat shipped right away? I can ship one to you tomorrow and it will be there on Wednesday, Thursday at the latest. We can take care of payment when insurance has been worked out.

:thumbsup: Ok, that is awesome! Do you do that for all seats you sell?

(my ins. when we were in a wreck DID want to know the seat type, I had to send them pictures showing the make / model on the seat)

 

[nmb]

Ok, dumb questions, but how tall is the TWE? How does it compare to a Radian?
And how in the world do you use it FF w/ a seatbelt? Does the seatbelt just buckle over the seat, no guides, or am I missing something?
I see the booster-seat-type guides on the MultiTech.
I'm also confused that the booster/seatbelt weight limit is the same as the rearfacing limit.... so if it's tall enough, it'd never be used for anything other than a rearfacing seat?? And you still need a booster seat?

 

[ketchupqueen]

As my brain is slowly coming back from the concussion I have more to add.

I had one of those mirrors that hook onto the top tether anchor. I figured that since it was hooked onto the car it wouldn't be a potential projectile. WRONG! It ended up on the floor of the car behind DS. DS does have a very small bruise on his forehead and I can only think that is from the mirror hitting him . It was very soft so not too bad but still.

*nods* I have long suspected that those hooks just aren't built to withstand crash forces, and warn parents accordingly. Thanks for this confirmation and "real life story" to add to my ammunition!

Seems like insurance won't be an issue. If you're not paid in full for your seat expense just let me know and the rest will be covered from my side. Do you want a new seat shipped right away? I can ship one to you tomorrow and it will be there on Wednesday, Thursday at the latest. We can take care of payment when insurance has been worked out.

Hope 2010 is better for you than 2009

AD, you are teh awesome.

Ok, dumb questions, but how tall is the TWE? How does it compare to a Radian?
And how in the world do you use it FF w/ a seatbelt? Does the seatbelt just buckle over the seat, no guides, or am I missing something?
I see the booster-seat-type guides on the MultiTech.
I'm also confused that the booster/seatbelt weight limit is the same as the rearfacing limit.... so if it's tall enough, it'd never be used for anything other than a rearfacing seat?? And you still need a booster seat?

It's about as tall as a Radian, IIRC-- but you can use the Swedish seats RF until ears are at the top of the shell instead of one inch under. So it gives more time by both weight and height. I believe you can install FF with belt (there's a belt path). The MultiTech has the same weight limit for RF, FF, or booster use, yes. The FF and booster modes are for kids who have outgrown RF by height before weight. Some kids will, some kids won't. It depends on how heavy the kid is for his height. And yes, you need a booster once it's outgrown. They are not wonderful boosters because they are big and heavy and of course positioning is almost always better in a dedicated booster (though I think the Swedish combo seats do better than most of our combo seats in terms of belt positioning, from what I've seen.)

 

[brightredmtn]

Ok, dumb questions, but how tall is the TWE? How does it compare to a Radian?
And how in the world do you use it FF w/ a seatbelt? Does the seatbelt just buckle over the seat, no guides, or am I missing something?
I see the booster-seat-type guides on the MultiTech.
I'm also confused that the booster/seatbelt weight limit is the same as the rearfacing limit.... so if it's tall enough, it'd never be used for anything other than a rearfacing seat?? And you still need a booster seat?

I don't have a Radian so I can't compare but you can see in my signature how big it is compared to my car. Can you see where it hits the front seats it's braced against?

It has a FF belt path too so that's how I installed it FF in the tow truck. There are no belt guides to use it as a booster like most American boosters do but I assume it would work ok. I would obviously never use it as a booster but some parents I guess like the option.

 

[InternationalMama]

The MultiTech has the same weight limit for RF, FF, or booster use, yes. The FF and booster modes are for kids who have outgrown RF by height before weight.

I just wanted to clarify that the MultiTech doesn't have the same RF and FF weight limit. The MT is outgrown RF at 25kg and FF at 18kg, so it actually lasts longer RF. Also, because it can be used to the tops of the ears both RF and FF it is basically outgrown in both directions at the same time by height.

The TWE (in this thread) goes to 25kg RF and FF though so it is outgrown at the same time in both directions. The only reason I can think of that you would use it FF or in booster mode is because you felt the child was too old to RF. Since it can fit kids until they are 6 years old it's reasonable to assume a parent might feel their child was ready to FF (or even be in a booster because they booster earlier in Sweden) before it was outgrown RF. Or in a case like the OP used it where it wasn't convenient to install RF. (It requires tethering RF but not FF.)

 

[nmb]

...yeah, if it's the same as the Radian heightwise (kinda what I'd though before but ...) than not worth it for us... My son has about an inch and a half of torso growth before he's too tall for RF in the radian, and he's 33-34 lbs. (34lbs on my scale at home but he wa 33lbs2oz at the dr's recently).

Oh-and I was trying to ask about using the TWE as a booster w/ the seatbelt, rather than installing w/ the seatbelt.



Hmmm....and now seeing further posts about using it until the tops of the ears are at the top of the shell.... I think I've read that before....but? Aren't the crash dynamics going to be the same.....in this case the seat was installed in the center of the vehicle, but if it weren't, wouldn't the LO have his his head on the seat in front (if it was too close to, or over, the top of the seat?)
Does the TWE have the foot prop that keeps it from moving downward? I didn't see one in the pics but maybe didn't look close enough.

OP- sorry for "hijack"; if you want me to delete this and start another thread I will.......
your post is just a VERY convincing argument for rf'ing.

ETA - and I'm glad to see you are recovering, and VERY glad that your little guy is alright...hope your mom heals quickly too!

 

[ketchupqueen]

Thanks! I get all befuddled with their rules, since I hardly ever read the instructions (maybe once a year. )

 

[InternationalMama]

Hmmm....and now seeing further posts about using it until the tops of the ears are at the top of the shell.... I think I've read that before....but? Aren't the crash dynamics going to be the same.....in this case the seat was installed in the center of the vehicle, but if it weren't, wouldn't the LO have his his head on the seat in front (if it was too close to, or over, the top of the seat?)
Does the TWE have the foot prop that keeps it from moving downward? I didn't see one in the pics but maybe didn't look close enough.

The TWE doesn't have a foot prop, but it has some kind of brace/clamp where it is actually clamped onto the seat it is sitting on top of and that acts like a foot prop in helping to prevent downward rotation. The other big difference between the Radian and the MT/TWE is that Swedish seats can be installed as upright as 10 degrees so they can be more suited for older RFers (depending on how the Radian is angled in your car). Also, I imagine this difference in angle also effects how the seat performs in a crash. I've heard people say that all other things being equal more upright is better from a crash dynamics perspective.

(The MT is a bit taller than the TWE if height is your main concern, just FYI.)

ETA: Also, the Swedish seats have two tethers whereas the Radian just has one. I don't know how this effects crash dynamics either, but I imagine it changes things too. Just thought I'd throw that in there for the sake of the comparison.

Also, OP, don't mean to hi-jack at all! But you know how I love talking about these seats!

 

[brightredmtn]

Thanks! I get all befuddled with their rules, since I hardly ever read the instructions (maybe once a year. )

Sorry to come across as a [jerk] but maybe you shouldn't post answers to things that you don't know the answer to :shrug-shoulders:. This is not the first time you've been corrected about Swedish seats.

 

[ketchupqueen]

You know what? No one else was answering the PPers questions, I was giving it a shot. I think you are coming across as one, just a little bit.

 

[brightredmtn]

The TWE doesn't have a foot prop, but it has some kind of brace/clamp where it is actually clamped onto the seat it is sitting on top of and that acts like a foot prop in helping to prevent downward rotation.

Also, OP, don't mean to hi-jack at all! But you know how I love talking about these seats!

I didn't have it installed with the foot behind the car's seat though. DS hated the seat installed this way, he really didn't like being so upright and AdventureDad promised that it was ok for an older kid to have the seat installed with the foot under to create more recline. Clearly in my case it worked out ok.

Don't worry about the thread-jack! I love talking about these seats too!

 

[brightredmtn]

You know what? No one else was answering the PPers questions, I was giving it a shot. I think you are coming across as one, just a little bit.

It took less than 1/2 hour for InternationalMama to reply. I'd hardly call that "no one answering the question."

 

[Maedze]

We all make errors, and fortunately there's usually someone there to correct them quickly, which is one of the reasons the board works so well

 

[nmb]

Aww, guys, no arguments please. Answers have been coming plenty quick enough, I saw the weight limits on carseat.se, no biggie.

I didn't have it installed with the foot behind the car's seat though. DS hated the seat installed this way, he really didn't like being so upright and AdventureDad promised that it was ok for an older kid to have the seat installed with the foot under to create more recline. Clearly in my case it worked out ok.

Don't worry about the thread-jack! I love talking about these seats too!

Brightredmtn - could you take a picture of the clamp thing? (And no hurries, completely ok if it takes awhile!! Really, you need to be resting now & taking care of yourself & family, right?)
Not like I'm gonna be buying a $600 carseat tonight anyhow right!~

I'm not sure if DS would like the seat upright either, the Radian FF is straight upright and he's ok w/ it; I hate it when he falls asleep in it though. He hasn't slept in the XT ff'ing yet, hoping that one will be better, but better just to stay RF'ing and reclined, right?