Need advice from anti immunization mommies!!

Jordynsmama

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It is just a hard topic for me. Most things are easy but this one is bugging me. Since dd is older it doesn't concern me as much. I will probably do it spread out, but first check all ingredients. Maybe see which ones can be skipped or something-ask which diseases are more likely and which ones would be untreatable. I dont know!!!!! then the dr's are not cooperative with this stuff. Especially since they look at me and think i am 18 and must be clueless and I get treated differently anyway as it is.
Then the more I read it's like, what if your baby gets some horrible disease??? There is a reason we dont have any crazy diseases anymore. With so many people bringing them over I would be so dang paranoid with my baby not being protected. Its one risk or another. Maybe with a baby just spreading them out? Or waiting for a yr or two as long as they are not in childcare, preschool, ect???
I totally believe that immunizations trigger things in some kids, but I also believe they do a big job.
So with any of the things like rubella, measals, hep...are they curable once you contract them??? Sorry if I sound totally clueless.
 
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snowbird25ca

Moderator - CPST Instructor
So with any of the things like rubella, measals, hep...are they curable once you contract them??? Sorry if I sound totally clueless.

In a healthy person, the majority of the time, these diseases are all self-limiting. Meaning that the disease runs it's course, your immune system neutralizes it, you recover having gained immunity and having no long lasting effects. So in the majority of cases, there is really nothing there to cure - the body just does it's job and that's the end of the story.

Then the more I read it's like, what if your baby gets some horrible disease??? There is a reason we dont have any crazy diseases anymore. With so many people bringing them over I would be so dang paranoid with my baby not being protected.

Well, many of the diseases were already on the decline before the vaccines were introduced. Some of them the diagnostic criteria was changed right at the same time or right after the vaccine was introduced, so that cases which previously would've been diagnosed as the disease no longer were. Polio is a case in point - the definition was changed in 1967 so that not all cases of acute flacid paralysis were called polio. Prior to then, anyone with acute flacid paralysis was diagnosed with polio. Interestingly enough, 95% of all people who contract the polio virus get nothing more than cold symptoms.

Diptheria is also another case of change in disease classification. I don't remember when the change was made, but up until a certain point, croup and diptheria were grouped together for statistics.

The other thing that's interesting is that sometimes dr's just quit diagnosing illnesses if somebody has been vaccinated for it. Some dr.'s just out and out refuse to consider a diagnosis if the child has been vaccinated for it. Whooping cough (pertussis,) is an example of this. Despite relatively low # of cases reported, serology testing in adults has revealed that on average adults are exposed to pertussis every 2 to 4 yrs as evidenced by an increase in antibody levels. The CDC just recently released that upwards of 100,000 cases of pertussis go undiagnosed each year and that it hasn't been being diagnosed as often as it should be.

And then there's the whole issue of adults and if they're up to date on their vaccines or not... The vast majority of adults are not up to date - TDaP is recommended for all adults every 10yrs now, so next time you go in for a tetanus booster pertussis will be part of it. Funny thing about the pertussis vaccine - aside from it being woefully ineffective, is that being vaccinated may prevent the person from developing clinical pertussis, but it does absolutely nothing to prevent the transmission from person to person. So a vaccinated person could be infected with pertussis and spread it simply because they don't develop symptoms.

There's a very interesting history to vaccines when you really start digging. The first vaccine with info readily available is the small-pox vaccine. Interestingly enough, back in the very beginning of it's use, the reactions and deaths from the vaccine led to vaccines themselves being outlawed. Obviously things changed from that point. Eventually the vaccine came into use again - with the quality control supposedly improved, and after that more vaccines came about.

My response to how the vaccine preventable diseases have really decreased, is to ask about the increase in juvenile diabetes, juvenile rheumatoid arthritis, allergies, asthma, autism, ADD/ADHD, learning disorders - have we traded routine childhood illnesses for a lifetime of medical complications?

This may sound crass, but I don't care about the greater good when it comes to vaccination. I care about the health and welfare of my own children, and for them that means not vaccinating. I'm not willing to sacrifice my own children for something that may or may not work.

My ds is also a preemie and it did make me rethink the whole vaccination issue... but I came to the same conclusions even taking into account his being premature and having a weaker immune system. Vaccines are known to weaken the immune system as a whole for the weeks immediately following vaccination... why weaken an already comparitively weaker immune system?

We as a society have been conditioned to fear disease. Our parents and grandparents all went through measles and mumps and chicken pox and rubella as just a routine childhood illness - for them it was the same way we view the chicken pox. And by the time our kids are having kids, chicken pox will likely have been made into a killer disease too. We worry about some of these diseases because we've been taught to. Ask your mom if she worried about you developing invasive pneumococcal disease or HiB. Depending on your age and the ages of your siblings, your mom may not have even heard of these diseases. Heck, think about vit K and the eye goop - even back when my youngest bro was born in 83 the hospitals didn't do that. Yet now we're led to believe our kid could die if we refuse those. For that matter, they didn't do GBS tests during pregnancy either.

I guess my whole point is, that we've been bred to fear disease instead of to respect it and appreciate that it can serve a purpose. As a society we would do far better to focus on supporting the body and immune system as a whole then to spend time worrying about illness and injecting chemicals and foreign viruses and bacteria and DNA.

FWIW, my MIL did measles and mumps parties for dh and his siblings - and he's the oldest of 3 and is 32yrs old. Things have changed a lot in 20 yrs, and those diseases are much less common - but has our health improved as a result?
 

Splash

New member
Instead of fearing the vaccine, look at the disease and decide if it is truly worth fearing.
You mentioned polio. Polio is actually a very mild virus that rarely causes anything more than a cold. The flu (the REAL flu, not what people call the flu) will often make you sicker than polio. The 1950s images of kids in crutches is always pushed, but it's not reality. Most people of that era had polio, but very few had paralytic polio.
MMR- Rubella is benign except to pregnant women and others with extremely compromised immune systems. Mumps and measles are inconvenient, but rarely serious. Mumps is more serious in males, because it can lead to sterility. It can, that doesn't mean it always does.
Chicken pox.... you had them. Did your life come to an end? I had them twice. I WISHED for them (and GOT them!) for my third birthday. And while the CP vaccine may prevent childhood CP, it more than triples the risk of adulthood shingles (far worse than CP).
Charlie has had CP once and shingles at least twice. It's miserable, but we lived. And Charlie is very immune compromised, and even HE didn't end up in the hospital.

The number one cause of death from any of these illnesses is secondary infection. That's why we have antibiotics. The number two cause of death is dehydration, fixed with IV fluids. Yes, people USED to die. But they also used to die from all sorts of things that are very rarely fatal these days. Medical science has improved to the point that most people can live through some pretty awful things (and these are by no means that awful).

Learn about the diseases first. The rate of infection, transmission, hospilization, and death.

And remember, diseases don't exist/aren't bad until there is something to fix it. When we were kids, was chicken pox such a horribly feared thing? Of course not! But someone invents a vaccine to prevent it, and suddenly it's as deadly as cholera. When we were kids ADHD didn't exist. But someone found a way to sedate children without killing them, and now half the boys in this country are "diagnosed" with ADHD. Our parents didn't fear measles, it was a fact of life. You got off school for a week and ate ice cream and itched a lot. Now, people think it was normally fatal and horribly painful to boot. It just isn't (and yes I can speak, I've had measles).

If you are really worried about both things equally, ask for a titer. Changes are she has plenty of immunity.
 

mominabigtruck

New member
I chose to vax my oldest partially just because I was a young mom and that's what everyone said to do so that's what I did. He hasn't had any shots since he was 2 and ds2 hasn't had any shots at all. I just filled out a philsophical exemption form for ds' school for next year and they said that's all I had to do and they would stick it in his file. If I had to choose between vaxing and homeschooling I would homeschool just because I don't think its the govts right to tell me I have to infect my child with a potentially life threatening illness just to make certain people feel better. I'm with the poster who said that other parents who vax their child shouldn't be worried about whether or not I vax my children because their child is vaxed anyways so it shouldn't matter. If I felt my children were at risk of contracting any of the diseases that are vaxed against I would vax, but as the majority of them are either contracted from other countries or pretty much unheard of at all I don't see the point of exposing them to a vax on the extreme chance they "might" someday catch a disease.
 

momof2kiddos

New member
I am so glad you posted this,my son is due for his 2 yr shots and my daughter for her 4 months shots,and I really don't want to vax them at all anymore,I just have been scared that they will catch some horrible disease.
 

Michi

Member
I was talking with a friend the other day, and we both found it odd ( and WAY too coincidental) that both of our children's severe food allergies were diagnosed within a couple weeks of receiving the MMR vaccine.

Out of ALL the vaccines...that one makes me the most nervous!.....
It is supposed to help build your immune system, yet somehow it weakens it!
 

Pawy

New member
Something that i found interesting after a friend of ours child got really sick from the DTap Vac....
The last recorded case of D = Diptheria in Australia was over 25 yrs ago well that was far how back they could check the records.!
So why must every child have it now and run a risk of getting ill from it...

I love this quote from a book i have,
Supreme court: It is not in the public,s best interest to be aware of the risks of immunization.

Some schools here have said your child will not be accepted with out up to date immunization paper work.
Paul
 

AdventureMom

Senior Community Member
Wow! A topic after my own heart... Our child is completely unvaxed. And healthy. :thumbsup: There are many reasons why we didn't vax him, including family history - I strongly believe that vaccinations (and diet and other meds, etc) can interact with family genes to cause illnesses.

My oldest brother (children fully vaxed):
- DS: Asperger's
- DD: IBS

My youngest brother (children fully vaxed):
- DD1: food allergies (peanut, eggs) and eczema
- DS: food allergies (eggs)
- DD2: eczema (too young to dx food allergies - still nursing)

Me:
- I am fully vaxed, including all the ones included for travel to sub-Saharan Africa that we got when we moved to Egypt (in case we travelled there :rolleyes: )
- symptoms: right on target for some kind of autoimmune disorder that started after a Measles update in college and got worse after the shots for Egypt

DH:
- same vaxes as myself, including all the world travel ones. Healthy as a horse, unless you count cancer at age 38.

I believe vaccinations - whether Thimerosol is in them or not (btw, Thimerosol is usually replaced with some sort of Aluminum compound, I believe) - are harmful to the immune system. We are making our bodies attack themselves by harboring small levels of all kinds of diseases. We're creating a world of chronically ill people.

Polio and all the other diseases were on the decline and almost irradicated just before vaccines were introduced for them. So sure, let's say that half the number of cases of polio showed up the year after the vax then kept decling, etc. But if you look at the trend in the years leading up to the vaccine, then it was already following that curve all on its own without a vaccine. Look it up - we have many books that it's in - if I have time to find the charts later online I'll post them.

Just my :twocents: . Each family has to decide for themselves because it is a tough decision. We have alot of friends who don't vaccinate. And when we sailed to the Bahamas and back last year, we met alot of cruising families - several whose children were also unvaxed and they traveled the world on their sailboat, including places with polio, etc.

ETA: I think many people believe that if their child got vaxed and didn't develop Autism, etc, or react with high fever and a swollen knot, then they're fine. I believe there's another danger - a longterm one that many people don't think about - chronic illness.
 
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Suzibeck

Active member
I know this is a hot topic and there is a lot of conflicting info out there. When I taught Special Ed, I worked with kids on both sides. I worked with kids severely damaged by vaccines and kids severely damaged by Whooping Cough and HiB infection. My parents say they remember several people they knew who had paralytic polio and, yes, they fear it.

None of mine are fully vaxed. My odest got the most shots because I knew less and she never reacted. I did reject Hep B because the risks are so low with no family memebers having it. My second had HORRIBLE reflux flares with each shot. This child had damage to her pharynx from her reflux that led to a swallow disorder, severe asthma (from aspiration), and speech delays. She had fewer shots than her big sis, but still had a lot of them. My youngest had some vaxs, and never more than one at a time. If I have another, I probably will not vax at all for the first 2 years, then I'll do one shot at a time of any we feel are necessary.

I'm still debating on what to do at dd's 5 yr check up next month. I know oldest will not get the gardasil shot in July. I do have mixed feelings. Having known kids damaged by both shots and disease is scary. My middle dd had pnemonalcoccal pnemonia as a toddler and it was horrible. It could have been much worse, it was dx before symptoms started because she happened to have a bronchoscopy. She wasn't recovering from the bronch and the next day they called to tell me she had this infection in her lungs and started the antibiotic. She nearly ended up back in the hospital and the doc told me he would have admitted her if I had had less experience with breathing issues.

It is a difficult choice that each of us has to make and we should research both sides before making the decision.
 

twokidstwodogs

New member
We as a society have been conditioned to fear disease. Our parents and grandparents all went through measles and mumps and chicken pox and rubella as just a routine childhood illness - for them it was the same way we view the chicken pox. And by the time our kids are having kids, chicken pox will likely have been made into a killer disease too. We worry about some of these diseases because we've been taught to.

I think that one's own experiences have a great deal to do with how one perceives the disease. My parents have vivid recollections of the fear associated with the polio epidemics of their childhood. One of my dad's school friends died of polio. Because I've heard those stories, and because one of my own childhood friend's mothers had a polio-related limp, the fear of polio resonates with me. My next door neighbor's second child has severe autism. She is convinced that thimerosal was the cause. I don't think her reasoning is sound, but I completely understand why she refused to vaccinate her third child.
 

twokidstwodogs

New member
Another thing I think about is if childhood cancer may be linked to all these new vaxs?Just a thought...

Well, you'd have to eliminate so many other potential causes, including an exponential rise in the worldwide use of various chemicals, plastics, etc. Personally, I get more freaked out about the health implications of PCBs than childhood vaccinations.
 

solmama

Active member
Before you consider vaccines to be the cause of all ills, there are a few other things to blame...the increase in environmental pollution from cars, agriculture, manufacturers...the number of toxins in our air, water, and soil is immense. We have increased our consumption of toxic substances, some of them designed to interrupt our bodies at the cellular level. Vaccines, in large part, have dramatically altered the face of disease in our world. We do not have to fear polio, small pox, and other life-threatening illnesses.
 

Starlight

Senior Community Member
One of the previous posters (Splash?) commented to stop fearing the vaccine, and to research the disease itself, and this is exactly the route I'd take. Your dd is scheduled for 5 injections for *10* diseases.

MMR: Measles, Mumps & Rubella. In our parents & g-parents day, people threw parties to encourage their kids to get these. In healthy people, they are along the lines of Chicken Pox.
Varicella booster: Chicken Pox. We adults should all remember having this... while I remember my course as being fun (Mom home for a week, TV, ice cream), others don't. But regardless, in a healthy person, it is not life threatening.
IPV: Inactivated Polio Vaccine. The cute little handouts that my kids pediatrician gives out on vaccines says "Since the 70's, there have been no known cases of polio in the US except those caused by OPV (oral polio vaccine.) Your child cannot contact polio through IPV. Well. If there haven't been any cases in the US for that many years, wtf are we worried about? I'm not knocking the people who have family who were effected by this, because I know there are people on this board who have lost family members to polio. But my g-pa had polio and is still alive and well. Paralytic polio is not very common.
DTaP. Diptheria, Tetanus & Pertussis. No known cases of diptheria in quite some time. Tetanus, yes, this one scares me. But majority of the time, a wound that will introduce tetanus into the body will also bleed, which will wash the tetanus spores away. Additionally, there are immuno-globins that could be had at the ER after injury, if truly necessary. Pertussis: whooping cough. Again, in a healthy person, not that big of a deal.
Hep B: Primarily sexually transmitted/blood borne. Those at high risk include gay men, prostitutes, and iv drug users, IIRC. If my 5 yr old is at risk for this disease, we have far more to worry about than just the vaccine.

Anyway, that's my quick rundown on each. But do your research, and remember that the shots she'd get now are recommended from age 4-6. She is not behind until her 6th birthday - you have plenty of time to research the vaccines - and even pick and choose.

Don't let your ped worry you, either. Stand your ground.
 

AdventureMom

Senior Community Member
We do not have to fear polio, small pox, and other life-threatening illnesses.

Statistics show that these diseases were already on the "out" when the vaccines were introduced.

I think an autoimmune disorder is life-threatening, from someone who is suffering from something that no one can diagnose and the symptoms are getting worse. I can pinpoint my symptoms to vaccinations.

Oh, yes, I agree that environmental toxins are adding to the rising health in our society. In no way am I pinpointing it all on vaccinations. But, most of these toxins are not directly injected into our bloodstream, at loads much to high and with no way for our liver or anything else to filter them out.

I believe strongly that vaxes are terrible. And I can get nasty in defending my stance. :p So I'll back out of this discussion because I have other things I need to devote my energy to right now and I don't want to say things that I may regret... ;)

If I have time later to research the statistics online, I'll post that, or else just type it in from the books/research articles that I have... :)
 

TheRealMacGyver

New member
Excellent topic and info from everyone here. I don't have too much to add, but I do have a good friend that is 100% anti-IM. We have had some pretty good discussions about the subject and I kind of teeter on the fence with the subject myself. I have done a fair share of research and found compelling information that can support either side of this argument. Not that it may matter to some, but my friend is a well-educated, stable-minded woman. But I do think she has some shadow of doubt about her choice, because I've noticed she is very careful about putting her daughter near or around other kids. I think she fears that if something should happen that could have been prevented, had she made different choices, she would never be able to live with her decision. Obviously this is a very controversial topic, but I think it is hard to disagree that a child does not need a Hep-B shot. I mean Hep-B can only be transmitted by bodily fluids, typically through shared needles or sexual contact. WHY does my child need to worry about this? Another factor in this, that many may not know, is that doctors get something similar to a "kick-back" for giving these immunizations, so it's advantageous for them to administer the shots. Well, I'm getting wordy so let me stop and just say it's totally a personal preference, but understand all the consequences before making a decision. Also, realize that there are a very high percentage of kids that get these shots that are perfectly healthy too. Good topic though nonetheless, I'm giving you some kudos (points).:D
 

jmm3

New member
I have heard good arguments on both sides before, but I did just want to comment on a few of the things I've seen people say here.

A few people have mentioned that in the past people got these diseases and it wasn't that big of a deal for most people, and now they're fine. That's true obviously, but isn't using that argument to say vaccines aren't necessary kind of the same as saying that seatbelts and car seats aren't necessary because in the past people didn't use them and for most of them it was no big deal and they survived? To me, the situation seems pretty much the same, in both cases, most people didn't die from the risk they endured in the past, but some people did, they're just not around to tell you about it. I'd like to hear what people think of that.

Also, about the HepB vaccine, I agree that most kids don't need it so young, but I understand the reason they do it like that. Many women may not know they have HepB or may not test positive yet, and they could transmit it to their baby without knowing they have it. Also, in many cases, infancy and toddlerhood is when children have the best access to medical care. If they are not given the vaccine then, they may not ever get it in the future. I think most parents who take the time to research the risks/benefits of vaccines would make sure their children have healthcare later in life, but it is for those who don't that they put the shots on the schedule early. A big reason why the CDC puts so many shots on their schedule is not if they're not on the schedule, insurance won't pay for them, and kids who need them may not be able to get them.

Also, I really hate the argument that IV drug users, prostitutes, etc are the main risk for things like HepB and HPV. Yes, they do have higher risk, but the risk is still there for people who don't do these things. It only takes one time!

One thing that I didn't know was in this quote from the MMR package insert that snowbird25ca posted:

"Following vaccination in children, reactions in joints are uncommon and generally of brief duration. In
women, incidence rates for arthritis and arthralgia are generally higher than those seen in children (children: 0-3%; women: 12-26%),17,52,53 and the reactions tend to be more marked and of longer duration. Symptoms may persist for a matter of months or on rare occasions for years. In adolescent
girls, the reactions appear to be intermediate in incidence between those seen in children and in adult women."

I think that is really something to think about, because for most women who want to become pregnant, they really should have immunity to rubella. That's especially important with the increasing number of kids not getting vaxed. By waiting to get the vax until adulthood, you are increasing your risk of this reaction it seems.

Also, does anyone have a reliable source that shows where doctors get kickbacks for giving immunizations? From my understanding, vaxes are pretty low on the profit scale, and compaines aren't that fond of making them. That is why the gov't offers them the VAERS system instead of letting individual compaines get sued. I know the pharm companies give lots of stuff to drs, but direct kickbacks for vaxes, I am not aware of.
 

teekadog

Active member
This is interesting timing... my kids are completely unvaxed. I researched and studied and worried and fretted... in the end I decided: If they got sick or died from a shot I intentionally gave them, I would never forgive myself. Instead I choose to keep them as healthy as possible to avoid diseases. I had a h*** of a time getting her into preschool! She was the only unvaxed kid the director has ever seen and was scared to death SHE would get all the other kids sick LOL. Well, there WAS an outbreak of chicken pox this year. More than half the enrollment (and remember, all others were vaxed against it, even the outbreak source) got it. But my dd didn't even get the sniffles.

Right now I'm in a fight with the state. I recently adopted a dog and it has become apparent that she is allergic to her shots. Luckily nothing fatal, just week long bouts of vomiting and diarrhea so far. But each time the reaction gets worse (she's had two rounds so far). All evidence out there points to her reactions getting worse each time until finally the shots are fatal to her. And she's required to get shots at least once a year! That's a death sentence! The state says she has to get double annual check-ups with a vet and if she shows signs of any disease then she has to be put down immediately. Umm, why, because she'll be a threat to every other dog in town? Oh WAIT, aren't all of those dogs vaccinated INCLUDING my own other dog, so shouldn't they be safe? I'm not talking rabies, I'm talking any little case of dog flu and they want her killed. Needless to say, we're still in discussions.
 

Erika Ruth

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I grew up very close to this community (it was across the bay from me, we could take a 20 minute ferry ride to get there)

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpa...752C1A9649C8B63&sec=health&spon=&pagewanted=1

I also have immunocompromised people in my family.

I also worked for an autoimmune researcher, who was/is? on the scientific board for Cure Autism Now, he looked over research proposals, to see if they should be funded. He also worked with Diabetes, Cancer, and Multiple Sclerosis.

I have had a friend whose 2 week old daughter came down with whopping cough, she was hospitalized for a month.

My daughter got a very mild case of the Mumps from her MMR, so did my husband at his booster.

My mom got the measles antibodies the old fashioned way... Chewing gum from someone with the measles.

In my life experience, I think vaccines are very important, just because you are healthy (and one of these diseases won't hurt you long term) doesn't mean you can't pass a disease on to someone else who isn't who can't get the vaccines for medical reasons (or age, 2 week old).

I vaccinate on a delayed schedule, and I make sure my kids are healthy enough to get the vaccine (no underlying illness already working on the immune system).

I don't think poorly of people who don't vaccinate, I do believe we all have a choice. I just choose to do it.
 

mominabigtruck

New member
I just wanted to add to my previous post cause I thought of something else when I read another post. The reason that I looked into delaying and eventually stopping vaxing was when the chicken pox vaccine came out. We went to the health dept to get shots because we don't have insurance so I was talking to the nurse there and she was going on about how they had to have it because apparently chicken pox is now life threatening. I told her that when I was younger everyone had chicken pox and that was the way it was and people didn't die then so what's the big deal. She said the reason they implemented the chicken pox vaccine as mandatory was because of low income people getting it and letting it get so bad and not seeking medical treatment and it was just easier to give a shot now instead of waiting and then having to treat in the hospital. Now, I'm sorry if this comes off mean or offends anyone, but I'm not going to put my kids at risk because of ignorant people who don't know enough to know when their kid is sick and to take them to the dr. This is along the same lines as the people that starved their baby, if you don't know any better then you shouldn't be breeding. And no that was not a bash at poor people, it was putting down stupid people.:rolleyes:
 

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