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Thanks you Trudy. And are you able to tell us who you received this confirmation from? I trust you as a source but others who don't know you are sure to ask us as we pass along the info.
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Thanks you Trudy. And are you able to tell us who you received this confirmation from? I trust you as a source but others who don't know you are sure to ask us as we pass along the info.
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2) Where do the legalities of this start and stop? If someone comes through a clinic having obtained a pre 2012 seat from a friend am I at further increased liability if I work on the seat? For example, if I have a policy that I won't sign off on an non-CMVSS seat (ie: FMVSS or otherwise foreign), should I also adopt a policy of not signing off on a pre 2012 seat that has been obtained illegally? Depending on the type of clinic I'm working at, it's a high percentage of families I see who come through using an albeit safe, non expired, non recalled seat that's been passed down from family or friends. What is the significance of working on a now illegally obtained seat as a technician? Is the legal onus squarely on the parents/caregiver using the seat?
1) Is Transport Canada and/or Health Canada going to release a statement to the media about this as January 1, 2012 approaches?
2) Where do the legalities of this start and stop? If someone comes through a clinic having obtained a pre 2012 seat from a friend am I at further increased liability if I work on the seat? For example, if I have a policy that I won't sign off on an non-CMVSS seat (ie: FMVSS or otherwise foreign), should I also adopt a policy of not signing off on a pre 2012 seat that has been obtained illegally? Depending on the type of clinic I'm working at, it's a high percentage of families I see who come through using an albeit safe, non expired, non recalled seat that's been passed down from family or friends. What is the significance of working on a now illegally obtained seat as a technician? Is the legal onus squarely on the parents/caregiver using the seat?
1) Is Transport Canada and/or Health Canada going to release a statement to the media about this as January 1, 2012 approaches?
2) Where do the legalities of this start and stop? If someone comes through a clinic having obtained a pre 2012 seat from a friend am I at further increased liability if I work on the seat? For example, if I have a policy that I won't sign off on an non-CMVSS seat (ie: FMVSS or otherwise foreign), should I also adopt a policy of not signing off on a pre 2012 seat that has been obtained illegally? Depending on the type of clinic I'm working at, it's a high percentage of families I see who come through using an albeit safe, non expired, non recalled seat that's been passed down from family or friends. What is the significance of working on a now illegally obtained seat as a technician? Is the legal onus squarely on the parents/caregiver using the seat?
I am just taking a guess at this but I would imagine that we would treat it the same as someone coming in with an expired seat. You would document everything to heck (as always) and do your best to inform the parent of what they should be looking for in a new seat. You then teach them to install that expired seat properly so that their baby is as safe as possible when they drive out of that check. What they do after that is up to them. It's not ideal but there are people out there who can not afford a new seat so we are going to continue to see expired, old seats and similarly we will see seats which have been passed down by unlawful means in the future. I will still teach the parents how to install the seat properly; if I don't then the child could be in harm and I am not doing my job.
Jusr my 2 cents.
It's very difficult when you're working with people who simply don't have money. It's easy to say that someone should just put $5 aside a week or some other strategy, but the reality is that kids have medicines and other things come up and for a family who already barely makes ends meet even $50 or $60 can be a burden.
There are very few/any harnessed restraints in Canada for $50-60. I can't think of one off the top of my head, only boosters. Even a Scenara is $79 at Walmart last time I checked (which admittedly was a while ago).
How will inspectors/police even police this -- if a parent can't produce a receipt, will they be fined for using a seat they can't prove they purchased? There is no way to know if a seat has been loaned vs purchased, other than a receipt.
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It's very difficult when you're working with people who simply don't have money. It's easy to say that someone should just put $5 aside a week or some other strategy, but the reality is that kids have medicines and other things come up and for a family who already barely makes ends meet even $50 or $60 can be a burden. Should it be a burden when they have watched their nephew outgrow the seat and possibly even used it in their own car regularly over the last few months?
I do feel the same way about expired carseats - they shouldn't be used period. Enabling a parent to use them "better" is just like helping someone pack a parachute that you know has holes in it. Sure, it may be in there right, and they may even where it right - but it's not going to do it's job properly... and I don't want to be the one who packed up the parachute full of holes knowing that it wasn't safe but settling on documenting it instead of telling the parent they outright had to get a new parachute and I couldn't help them in the current circumstances.
I know it's harsh, but in those circumstances, I don't have any doubts.
Bumping this up. I've received confirmation that it will be illegal to sell, advertise, loan or give away non-compliant seats as of January 1st, 2012.
When family finances are that tight, I'd waaaaay rather a family choose a "loaned" or "purchased from a reliable source" unexpired appropriate seat vs an expired seat, no seat at all, or no food on the table for the children.
Seriously, Health Canada will have no ability to enforce this, just like they don't have the ability to enforce the "no walkers" rule for babies. I know all sorts of people who have them, either purchased on CL, given to them from others, imported from the USA.
I've never seen the Scenara on sale at Walmart in BC for $59. I'm only infrequently in their baby section (usually to check out seats), but I do scan their flyers. I've never seen a Scenara in Canada for under $79.
Based on what legal grounds? Preventing people from selling what they own is a quite serious limitation of freedom.
Canada seems more into fiddling with details, than doing something that really matters as far as childrens safety in cars like requiring all seats up to 40 pounds to be rear-facing only? If they can make their own rules, why not something that makes a difference....
/Marcus
This is such a stupid rule. I need to find someone to loan some seats out to after January 1, 2012 just to protest.
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