I am just bumping this thread. I am sad that we still need to refer to this when buying brand new seats in the stores... it's almost March for crying out loud!
Pixelated said:The List you're talking about is here: http://www.car-seat.org/showthread.php?t=211964
Dorel is being rather difficult about confirming or denying the accuracy of it. I think it was probably not supposed to be released, and it was just pure luck I got somebody at the right time who was willing to share. I'm kicking myself for not getting the CS rep's name, or more details, or being really leechy and asking her to email or fax it to me right then!
They are also now giving different answers depending on if you own the seat or are asking why it's still for sale in store after finding out its not compliant. I'm very disappointed in that. It's not their fault that zellers hadn't complied. But it becomes their fault when they become complicit. Maybe it's time for health Canada to be told of dorel's varying answers depending on who calls?
Manual revision on the designer 22 starter infant seat was November 4, 2010. No seat prior to that will be compliant. Not all seats after are automatically compliant, but no seat prior to that will be due to the handle position change. Technicians are smart - we can look at the different between a known compliant seat and a known non-compliant seat, and look at the manual revision date and put 2+2 together. I called about a seat last week, was told it wasn't compliant. I requested a manual be sent and I was sent the November 4 revision which indicated the handle must be up. The seat I called about had actually been made about 6 weeks prior to that and I was told it was non-compliant. So put 2 and 2 together and we know the manual revision date that the change in handle position happened and it's pretty easy to see that none of that model complied prior to the manual revision date.
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(edited to correct a typo and date that was off by a day.)
Yep. I had a very interesting conversation with a Dorel CS rep. He was very alarmed to hear that non-compliant seats were available in stores. I heard him reading off a list searching for model #s & compliancy dates. I could tell it was the same list Pixelated has. He confirmed that the 2 seats I was considering purchasing were most certainly non-compliant. He then suggested that I inform the store manager.
As soon as I informed him that the manager was already aware, and that Zellers was advertising these non-compliant seats in their flyer, I was put on hold.
5 loooonnng minutes later, he came back and told me:
- there is no list of compliant dates
- since the seats were on the shelves at Zellers that meant they were compliant
- that seats needed to be evaluated on a case-by-case basis by their product specialists and he couldn't say over the phone if a seat was compliant or not
- that he may have been mistaken when he first spoke to me, and I would be contacted by e-mail after consultation with the product specialists (this has not happened)
Here's my theory (and it's just a theory):
Maybe Dorel neglected to include the blue 35lb Scenera and the Designer 22 in their list of non-compliant seats that they gave Zellers. Zellers was diligent about clearing out other non-compliant seats, including the pink Sceneras. If this was Dorel's mistake, that might explain their part of the "cover-up".
I was actually going to ask if this could be made into a sticky thread for awhile so it's at the top if we need to look at it. Would that be an appropriate use of a "sticky"?
Hi, I haven't been here in a while and have been reading a lot of threads about 2012 compliance. I'm not sure what it all means in any practical sense. What do the 2012 compliance standards change in terms of the seats (ie, are they safer in any real way - I read the Transport Cda FAQ and saw that the dynamic and seatbelt testing standards have changed to be more in line with the US, but given most carseats here originate with US companies, does it really change anything)? I've got my 2 year old RF in a 2010 Britax Advocate 65 CS and a 2011 Radian XT; I also have a 2009 Britax Diplomat stored for the maybe baby that may be joining us sometime in the near future. I have no intention of selling these seats or passing them on. Clearly none of these is 2012 compliant, but in terms of their safety and my insurance company (in case of an accident, in say, 2013, would they say "not 2012 compliant so we're not paying") is there any need to update seats? Finally (I know, a lot of questions), are the Transport Cda carseat standards updated annually or on a predictably regular basis?
I am also confused. I have 2 car seats at present from 2010, and in the process of buying a "few" more, radian, britax and possiable a Sencera (although after reading this post I may not!)
Should I replace my old seats?
One quick note though. I have a Marathon, that I have checked as Baggage twice on a plane. DOes that mean that it should not be used anymore?
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