Making kids safer, one question at a time.  Welcome to the Car-Seat.Org community!   Motor Vehicle Crashes are the #1 cause of fatal injury for children and adults, age groups 1 to 34.   Selecting a safe car, minivan or SUV, plus correctly using child restraints and seatbelts may be the most important things you can do to protect your family.   Need help installing an infant, convertible or booster seat?   Looking for carseat reviews or compatibility advice? Need help buying the best and safest car seats for your baby, toddler or older kid?   No question is a bad one, so please click here to ask our experts a question and then join our friendly community of moms, dads, caregivers and advocates in the USA and Canada.   Thank you for visiting; buckle-up and drive safely!


 

Sponsored Ads

+ Reply to Thread
Results 1 to 18 of 18
  1. #1
    Carseat Crazy
    Join Date
    Sep 2008
    Location
    SK, Canada
    Posts
    127

    Flying with carseats

    My two daughters and I will be flying from Regina to Calgary in July. I will not be getting my 14 month old her own seat, but my almost 4 year old will have one. I've decided not to bring her carseat onboard, it is just going to be way too difficult juggling everything on my own with the two of them. I'm looking into the CARES harness, hopefully I can find one that isn't brand new due to cost. At any rate, I'm quite nervous about checking our carseats with baggage. Are they careful with them, or do they just chuck them around? Is there anything that I can do to lessen the chance that they will get damaged?
    Mommy to
    Mya-6, FF Frontier, HB TB & Monterey
    Addison-4, FF Frontier & True Fit
    Brynn-1, RF Radian XT

  2. # ADS
    Sponsored Ads
    Join Date
    April, 2001
    Location
    Car-Seat.Org
    Posts
    Many
     
     

  3. #2
    Forum Ambassador TechnoGranola's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2007
    Location
    Canada
    Posts
    7,068

    Re: Flying with carseats

    Yes, they just chuck them around. Yes, there is potential they will be damaged. You should ensure they are in a car seat bag or a box and well protected. Most people suggest gate checking it.

    As for the CARES harness, do a search and we have a thread about CARES harnesses for Canadian members. There are a few that have been purchased that we pay shipping cost and a small contribution to use it.

    Really though, if you're going to go to bring your 4 year olds seat, and gate check it, you've made it almost the entire way onto the plane with the seat. Since she has a paid seat, I'd just use it. She'll be more comfortable in a known place and your seat will make it there safely. With WestJet at least, people with children can board first which will give you time to install the seat.

  4. #3
    Carseat Crazy
    Join Date
    Sep 2008
    Location
    SK, Canada
    Posts
    127

    Re: Flying with carseats

    If I weren't traveling alone, I would absolutely gate check both carseats, but with two kids, carry on and a stroller, I'll have my hands completely full. There's just no way I'll be able to drag two heavy carseats all the way through the airport. Is there any particular bag that would work well? I really want to pad them as much as I can. What is something that would be quick to pad with once we got to the airport?
    Mommy to
    Mya-6, FF Frontier, HB TB & Monterey
    Addison-4, FF Frontier & True Fit
    Brynn-1, RF Radian XT

  5. #4
    CPS Technician mommycat's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2007
    Location
    NS, Canada
    Posts
    4,372

    Re: Flying with carseats

    What car seats do you have?

    I would still consider bringing the seats and either gate checking both or one and using the other. Depending on the seats you have they may be pretty simple to cart around... say by attaching one to rolling carry-on luggage or on a luggage cart with the carry-on loaded in on top of it.

    Here are some threads with tips on flying, most with pictures, to show you what I am talking about:
    http://www.car-seat.org/showpost.php...1&postcount=20
    Cat in Canada
    DS1 7 yo - 47 lbs (47"/??"t/??"top of head) - boostered in SKMonterey/2TBs/2CowmooPWSG/2HarmonyNBBs
    DS2 4 yo - 34.5 lbs (40"/15"t/??"top of head) - FF in CowmooMA/TrueFit/2Radians/2Nautiluses/HarmonyV7
    Also in possession of: Graco SafeSeat1 and MyRide (loaned out) + 1 demo seat: SnugRide.

  6. #5
    Forum Ambassador TechnoGranola's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2007
    Location
    Canada
    Posts
    7,068

    Re: Flying with carseats

    I was meaning to bring the 4 year olds on board. You can gate check the other since you don't have a plane seat for that child. If you're not able to haul both to the gate since you're alone, checking the one with baggage might be your only option. I'd still take the 4 year old's seat on board. At least that way you guarantee one seat makes it there safely.

  7. #6
    Car-Seat.Org Zealot skaterbabs's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2005
    Location
    Central Virginia
    Posts
    9,962

    Re: Flying with carseats

    How much does your younger child weigh? I'd see if a TRUSTED friend or family member as a Graco Safe Seat (30 lb limit) you can borrow for the trip. Take it on board with you; if there is an empty seat on the flight they will let you use it for your younger child. This is significantly safer for her.
    Rebekah Branch, CPST from May 2005 until June 2011
    Mom to CJ (7/96, seatbelt), Gregory (4/98, seatbelt), & Joyjoy (10/03, misc. booster seats)
    "That which you create in beauty and goodness and truth lives on."
    - Denis Waitley

  8. #7
    Forum Ambassador TechnoGranola's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2007
    Location
    Canada
    Posts
    7,068

    Re: Flying with carseats

    Quote Originally Posted by skaterbabscpst View Post
    Take it on board with you; if there is an empty seat on the flight they will let you use it for your younger child.
    I'd think this would depend on the airline. I know Air Canada can be pretty sticky when it comes to rules here. I agree though that a SafeSeat could be a great help.

    Which leads me to ask, are you flying Air Canada or WestJet? If you check a car seat with Air Canada, it counts towards your checked baggage allowance. I believe WestJet allows you to check a seat in addition to the checked baggage allowance.

    Either Air Canada or WestJet (not sure which) offers something called "infant standby" which will allow you to get a seat for your infant when you check in, if one is available. I *think* this is no charge to you and it then guarantees you use of your child restraint on board; you get a boarding pass for the child. This would only be for your younger one (since your older one already has a seat). There are some restrictions, for example it has to be a straight through flight, which Regina to Calgary is. Maybe someone here remembers which airline offers this and what you need to do to take advantage of it.

  9. #8
    CPS Technician mommycat's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2007
    Location
    NS, Canada
    Posts
    4,372

    Re: Flying with carseats

    WestJet:
    Travelling with an infant (I highlighted the red section)

    * One child under the age of two years may travel at no additional charge provided they are accompanied by one fare paying adult guest and are seated on the adult's lap for the duration of the flight.
    * Safety: The adult must hold the infant during taxi, takeoff, landing, any time the seatbelt sign is illuminated and when instructed to do so by the flight crew.
    * Car seats: A seat may be purchased for the infant. If the infant is not restrained in a seat certified for motor vehicle or aircraft use, the adult must hold the infant during taxi, takeoff, landing, any time the seatbelt sign is illuminated and when instructed to do so by the flight crew. Please call WestJet at 1-888-WESTJET (937-8538) for more information on Transport Canada approved car seats.
    * August 25, 2008, the AmSafe Child Restraint System (CARES), a harness and buckle device that attaches directly to the aircraft seat will be permitted for use on board WestJet aircraft as an alternative to a car seat. Please call WestJet at 1-888-WESTJET (937-8538) for more information on this Transport Canada approved restraint system.
    * Identification: All parties require identification at the airport. Please bring identification for your infant, as it will be checked. For domestic travel, it can be in the form of a birth certificate or birth registry. Photocopies are acceptable. For international travel, your infant must meet entrance requirements at customs.
    * Extra baggage allowance: Guests travelling with infants may check in a car seat and stroller at no additional charge. A playpen may be substituted for either a car seat or stroller.
    * Seat Selection: When travelling with an infant, seat selection will not be available for online purchase. Please contact the call centre at 1-888-937-8538 to purchase your seats in advance.
    Cat in Canada
    DS1 7 yo - 47 lbs (47"/??"t/??"top of head) - boostered in SKMonterey/2TBs/2CowmooPWSG/2HarmonyNBBs
    DS2 4 yo - 34.5 lbs (40"/15"t/??"top of head) - FF in CowmooMA/TrueFit/2Radians/2Nautiluses/HarmonyV7
    Also in possession of: Graco SafeSeat1 and MyRide (loaned out) + 1 demo seat: SnugRide.

  10. #9
    CPS Technician mommycat's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2007
    Location
    NS, Canada
    Posts
    4,372

    Re: Flying with carseats

    Air Canada: (bold theirs)
    Infants - with or without a seat travelling in Economy
    Checked Baggage
    * Two pieces of checked baggage, each bag not to exceed 158cm (62in) in overall dimensions, and 23kg (50 lbs) in weight.
    * One stroller to be checked in at the gate (in addition to the two pieces of checked baggage).
    Carry-on Baggage
    One piece of baggage, 10 kg (22lbs) maximum weight.

    Stroller Policy
    Children may be transported in their strollers throughout any airport Air Canada serves.

    Air Canada strongly recommends the use of small umbrella type strollers when traveling with children.

    Collapsible strollers may be checked at the gate and will be delivered to you at the aircraft door at the end of your flight.

    Large, heavy strollers should be checked-in as part of your checked luggage, as gate facilities in airports are not designed to accommodate them. Large strollers are subject to space limitations, and there is a risk that they cannot be accommodated in the aircraft.
    and, not doing their bolding for this as I am tired of editing, but I will bold a few things I would point out
    Child Restraint Policy

    Child safety seats accepted for in-flight use

    * Air Canada is bound by Transport Canada regulations with regards to acceptable Child Restraint Devices (with the exception of the CARES™ child restraint device). All devices (except CARES™) must be certified to Canadian Motor Vehicle Safety Standard (CMVSS) 213 or 213.1. Please note that, for safety reasons, child restraint devices are not permitted in the Executive First Suites at any time.

    Accepted child restraint devices:

    * Models manufactured after January 1, 1981 must bear a label stating that "This child restraint system conforms to all applicable Canadian Motor Vehicle Safety Standards.", or that the seat has been certified to CMVSS 213 or 213.1; (Important: All foreign-built car seats must adhere to Transport Canada regulations).
    * Models manufactured to United States standards
    o between January 1, 1981 and February 25, 1985 must bear the following label: "This child restraint system conforms to all applicable Federal Motor Vehicle Safety Standards."
    o on or after February 26, 1985 must bear the following two labels: “This child restraint system conforms to all applicable Federal Motor Vehicle Safety Standards" and “THIS RESTRAINT IS CERTIFIED FOR USE IN MOTOR VEHICLES AND AIRCRAFT" in red lettering.
    * CARES™ child restraint device: The CARES child restraint device is designed for children over 1 year of age, weighing between 10-20 kg (22-44 lbs), whose height is 100 cm (40 inches) or less and who are capable of sitting upright. The device must be used within the limitations specified by the manufacturer (as indicated on the label), and must display the following:
    o Legible CARES label with approval standards (FAA approved in accordance with 14 CFR 21:305 (d) and approved for aircraft use only).
    o Part number 4082-1 on label
    o Please note that CARES™ child restraint devices cannot be installed in the Executive First Suite.

    Restrictions for infants and children occupying a seat

    * An infant for whom a seat has been purchased must be properly secured in an approved child restraint device (see regulations above).
    * A child over two years of age but weighing less than 18kg (40lbs) can be secured in a child restraint device. [ETA would they quiblle over a heavier child being in a carseat if the seat still fit them with the harness??]
    * Child restraint devices (car seats, booster seats*) count toward your baggage allowance when transported as checked baggage, unless an approved device is required onboard for seating the infant or child in his or her own paid seat.
    * The following devices are not accepted for use as child restraint devices on Air Canada aircraft: booster seats*, belly loops, vests, harnesses, and Little Cargo® seats (notwithstanding any claims from manufacturer(s) that they are approved for use in aircraft).
    * A restraint device that cannot be restrained due to size, design, or damage must be checked in, as it cannot be stowed under the seats or in the overhead bins.
    * Passengers are asked to write their name and address on all devices with the use of an indelible (Sharpie-type) marker.
    * Please contact your travel agent or Air Canada Reservations for more information and possible exceptions to these rules (e.g. medical reasons).

    *A booster seat (or cushion) is defined as a removable device for use in a vehicle for the purpose of seating in an elevated position a person whose mass is 18 kg or more. It is designed to be used with an automobile lap and shoulder belt and is therefore not approved for use in an aircraft.
    Cat in Canada
    DS1 7 yo - 47 lbs (47"/??"t/??"top of head) - boostered in SKMonterey/2TBs/2CowmooPWSG/2HarmonyNBBs
    DS2 4 yo - 34.5 lbs (40"/15"t/??"top of head) - FF in CowmooMA/TrueFit/2Radians/2Nautiluses/HarmonyV7
    Also in possession of: Graco SafeSeat1 and MyRide (loaned out) + 1 demo seat: SnugRide.

  11. #10
    Carseat Crazy
    Join Date
    Sep 2008
    Location
    SK, Canada
    Posts
    127

    Re: Flying with carseats

    Thank you for all the replies. We are flying with Westjet, so checking the carseats as baggage wouldn't count towards our 2 pieces each. They allow a child with their own seat to have a carseat on top of the regular luggage as well. We will be flying with a Marathon, which is my older dd's and a True Fit for my younger. If I were to bring one on board, it would be the TrueFit, because we will be replacing our Marathon with a Frontier soon anyways so I don't care as much about that seat, versus the True Fit which will be brand new. Even so, I'm having a hard time imagining a non-stressful way to bring it with us through the airport. I will have my stoller, whatever carry-on(bare minimum) in the stroller basket and on my back, my baby in the stroller, and my dd walking beside. Unless I pull the carseat on something with one hand, and push the stroller with the other, I can't see how it can be done. And in that case I will have a really tough time steering the stroller and having an extra hand for my dd if I need it. I suppose I could buy something to put it on my back, but I'll most definately have a backpack on. I'm not sure if there's any other easier way it can be done?

    As for borrowing a SafeSeat for my younger dd, I absolutely don't know anyone who has one, although that definately would be a decent option.
    Mommy to
    Mya-6, FF Frontier, HB TB & Monterey
    Addison-4, FF Frontier & True Fit
    Brynn-1, RF Radian XT

  12. #11
    Forum Ambassador TechnoGranola's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2007
    Location
    Canada
    Posts
    7,068

    Re: Flying with carseats

    So what about this...your baby in a carrier (an Ergo, Beco, Mei Tei or some other soft carries that you can fold up small) on your back, older child in the stroller, backpack in stroller basket, pull carry on behind you and use the Traveling Toddler car seat strap to attach a car seat. Here's a link to it on Amazon http://www.amazon.com/Traveling-Todd.../dp/B000JHN3AS

    You don't have to put your child in the car seat, but apparently it's possible according to the pics! I am looking to get one for my trip in a couple of weeks and am going to use it just to carry a True Fit (child will be in stroller).

    I don't have any suggestions for carrying 2nd car seat, so checking it might be the only option. Unless do they have carts you can use that they allow through security? If so, you could put everything on a cart (including both car seats, carry ons and stroller), baby on back and older one holding your hand? Not sure if that would work, or if they even have carts after you've gone through security.
    Last edited by TechnoGranola; 05-20-2009 at 02:56 PM.

  13. #12
    CPS Technician An Aurora's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2007
    Location
    Alaska
    Posts
    6,114

    Re: Flying with carseats

    I've had great success with a cheapy luggage cart from Walmart. I've clipped the LATCH clips of a Nautilus directly onto the frame of the cart, then flipped the Marathon upside down on top of that, used the bungie that came with the cart to secure it on, and pulled that while I had the little one in a wrap/sling and the 3 yo walked. I slid the straps of the diaper bag around the handle of the luggage cart. I've done that several times and I'm getting ready to do it again soon, 8 months pregnant
    Anna~ RN and expired CPST (hoping to recert soon!)

  14. #13
    Forum Ambassador TechnoGranola's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2007
    Location
    Canada
    Posts
    7,068

    Re: Flying with carseats

    I found another option for carrying a car seat on your back http://www.amazon.com/Cheeky-Monkey-...m_cr_pr_sims_t

    and here's a car seat bag http://www.amazon.com/Childress-Ulti...ef=pd_sbs_ba_2
    and one more car seat bag http://www.amazon.com/Go-Go-Babyz-Se...ef=pd_sim_ba_4

    Although An Aurora's method sounds really great because it allows you to take BOTH seats! (and if it's WestJet that has the infant stand by, then your younger one could use the seat on board).

  15. #14
    Carseat Crazy
    Join Date
    Sep 2008
    Location
    SK, Canada
    Posts
    127

    Re: Flying with carseats

    An Aurora, that is really ingenious, I never even thought about doing it that way. And I wouldn't need the stroller that way. But I'm just thinking, if I were to do that, and we weren't able to use both seats, would they still allow me to gate check the one?
    Mommy to
    Mya-6, FF Frontier, HB TB & Monterey
    Addison-4, FF Frontier & True Fit
    Brynn-1, RF Radian XT

  16. #15
    CPS Technician An Aurora's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2007
    Location
    Alaska
    Posts
    6,114

    Re: Flying with carseats

    Yep, you can still gate check whichever one you're not using
    Anna~ RN and expired CPST (hoping to recert soon!)

  17. #16
    CPS Technician mommycat's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2007
    Location
    NS, Canada
    Posts
    4,372

    Re: Flying with carseats

    As for the travelling toddler and rolling carry-on: I tried this out - well, I juste used a metal hanger to clip latch straps to, to see how it would work - and the 24lb 18mo fits in the TF hooked on to carry on beatifully. My 35lb 4yo fits the seat but is just too heavy for it to actually work. I would worry about the handle on the carry on as it was really flexing and creaking. So you could either carry the baby and pull the two seats, or put a seat on your back and "stroller" the baby in the TF.

    But I like An Aurora's idea even better, I think. You could probably bungee the carry on into the bottom seat before you stacked the 2nd one on top, too?
    Cat in Canada
    DS1 7 yo - 47 lbs (47"/??"t/??"top of head) - boostered in SKMonterey/2TBs/2CowmooPWSG/2HarmonyNBBs
    DS2 4 yo - 34.5 lbs (40"/15"t/??"top of head) - FF in CowmooMA/TrueFit/2Radians/2Nautiluses/HarmonyV7
    Also in possession of: Graco SafeSeat1 and MyRide (loaned out) + 1 demo seat: SnugRide.

  18. #17
    CPS Technician An Aurora's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2007
    Location
    Alaska
    Posts
    6,114

    Re: Flying with carseats

    Quote Originally Posted by mommycat View Post
    You could probably bungee the carry on into the bottom seat before you stacked the 2nd one on top, too?
    Yep, you probably could. I have also clipped the top tether of the MA to the cart.
    Anna~ RN and expired CPST (hoping to recert soon!)

  19. #18
    Moderator - CPST Instructor
    Join Date
    Nov 2003
    Location
    Ontario, Canada
    Posts
    2,294

    Re: Flying with carseats

    Here is a picture of the 2 seats puzzled together on a foldable luggage cart

    Tam
    Certified Canadian CRS Technician-Instructor

    DD#1, Aug 1999
    DS, May 2001
    DD#2, Aug 2007

Similar Threads

  1. carseats and flying
    By 1girltwinboyz in forum CAR SEATS - General Child Safety Seat Questions, Help and Advice
    Replies: 5
    Last Post: 01-02-2009, 08:18 PM
  2. Replies: 4
    Last Post: 11-21-2008, 04:41 PM
  3. Flying with 4 carseats
    By hockeywoman in forum CAR SEATS - General Child Safety Seat Questions, Help and Advice
    Replies: 5
    Last Post: 03-26-2008, 04:32 PM
  4. Replies: 19
    Last Post: 03-22-2008, 04:31 PM
  5. A question re: carseats and flying....
    By Karrobb in forum CAR SEATS - General Child Safety Seat Questions, Help and Advice
    Replies: 6
    Last Post: 08-15-2006, 06:42 PM

Tags for this Thread

Bookmarks

Bookmarks

Posting Permissions

  • You may post new threads
  • You may post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •