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Not even very little. My HUGE 22 month old who 95% for height and weight (35" and 32 lbs). Most kids her age have been FFing for a year
The bottom of the headwings come to above her ears. There is no way they are even close. She'd be the 3-4th slot from the bottom too. Not seeing how they say a kid on the 3rd slot would be ok. I mean, all kids heads and neck lengths are different.
I'm not even sure they expect parents to practice ERF. I think they wanted to keep the folding option of the seat and so designed the headwings only to descend so far as the bottom could still be folded up.
Bean the Third is 18 months, 24 pounds, average sized kid. Still rearfacing of course, but most parents would have him FF. And he is only on the second slots of his R65.
And my 2.5 year old who is AT the height limit for Rfing in the BLVD is on the 3rd slots of the XT and the wings are almost all the way down. I can't see a 12-24 (even 30) mos old fitting these wings either up OR down. I'm extremely disappointed and would not have bought or returned this seat except that I only need it for the RFing height for my 2.5 year old. For a FFing 3+ year old though, it's awesome.
Yes, but that's RFing, if he was FFing he'd move up a slot so they're above his shoulders, right? So he could then technically have the wings lowered but that doesn't mean they'd be a good fit!
Here's what I got: he'd be on the 3rd slots for FFing, this little guy is only 10 mos, but 56% height (17+" seated height) so a short 12 mos old could actually fit just like this:
On the other hand, here's him set up for Rfing and the wings all the way up. Look how close they are to the top of his head--so in between right now and when he moves up to the 3rd slots RFing, the top of his head would smack into the bottom of the wings while they're all the way up, yet he couldn't have them down according to the rules and even if it were allowed, it would still be in a bad position and do more harm than good IMO:
And my 2.5 year old who is AT the height limit for Rfing in the BLVD is on the 3rd slots of the XT and the wings are almost all the way down. I can't see a 12-24 (even 30) mos old fitting these wings either up OR down. I'm extremely disappointed and would not have bought or returned this seat except that I only need it for the RFing height for my 2.5 year old. For a FFing 3+ year old though, it's awesome.
ITA. The XT is an awesome, awesome idea, but in practical, typical use, I can see those wings doing some serious harm even in some cases where the child would be better off without the extra "SIP" but the average parent is going to go by the rules (which BTW, if I didn't see the carseat blog I wouldn't know they changed it...) regardless of where the wings actually fall on the child. I think SKJP is asking for trouble if they don't revamp this.That's my dilemma also. Both my kids are on the 2nd from the bottom slot (probably could be 3rd since they are right *at* it. HOwever, according to their rules, if you are using those slots the wings must be all the way up.
I am NOT ok with that. If I move them all the way up, my older child in a side impact will smack her temple on the bottom of the wing a little a la old Touriva style. My younger one also would hit the top side of her head.
So since they are a almost a good fit for my older daughter, even though she is on the second slots, I made the parental decision to use the wings. They will do MORE harm all the way up than down.
You are right though.....they don't seem to work all the way down or up for kids. It's a very odd design.
I really got it for DD2 to FF in a few months, but unless she sprouts a massive torso, the wings are not going to be right on her, and not safe in my book
For RFing, I'm happier with the fit in the first picture (wings lowered). Ramping up the seat would only put his head more securely between the wings. In the second picture (wings raised), if his head were to the side like it is in the pic (oh, say, he's sleeping, or just looking around), if he ramps up then his head smacks into the bottom of the wing.
Couple thoughts:
1. They can't make the wings go lower because the tether's in the way. I suppose they could move it, but I'm guessing it's specifically designed that way for RF tethering and moving it would mean giving up that option. Just at a guess.
2. Those headwings are completely covered in foam, IIRC. I think it's a bit alarmist to compare them to the Touriva notches.
1. I haven't seen one IRL, but have seen pics of the tether in the way. Couldn't they just recess the tether slightly, or else put a notch in the back of the headrest so that it would pass over the tether? Like they put the notches in the RFing foot for the anti-skid strips.Couple thoughts:
1. They can't make the wings go lower because the tether's in the way. I suppose they could move it, but I'm guessing it's specifically designed that way for RF tethering and moving it would mean giving up that option. Just at a guess.
2. Those headwings are completely covered in foam, IIRC. I think it's a bit alarmist to compare them to the Touriva notches.
:yeahthat:I will not be the least bit surprised to see it redesigned in the very near future.
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