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    New European research - kids should RF up till four years

    Read more HERE

    Accident facts from US as well in this report.
    Last edited by *HH*; 06-24-2008 at 09:11 AM.

    DS 9YR FF in a high back booster seat(ERFing until he was 6YR), DD 4YR ERF in a Axkid Kidzofix.

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    Re: New European research - kids should RF up till four years

    Thanks for providing a link to the entire study. It's really a superb study and I'm totally engrossed in reading it right now.

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    Re: New European research - kids should RF up till four years

    It really is a great study. The crash data is so sad (and kind of scary)!

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    Re: New European research - kids should RF up till four years

    Would it be wrong to starve my 3.75 year old so she would lose a pound and could be Rf again?

    Alex, 8 Katie, 12 and Annabelle Jan 2017

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    Re: New European research - kids should RF up till four years

    Yes, I believe it would! It is ridiculous that the US and other countries haven't got RF up till 55 lbs. Maybe this can help change that?

    DS 9YR FF in a high back booster seat(ERFing until he was 6YR), DD 4YR ERF in a Axkid Kidzofix.

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    Re: New European research - kids should RF up till four years

    Looks like I need to tell my sister never to use the Cosco HBB combination seat I gave her as a booster. I'm amazed by how much damage can be done by having stuff in the trunk.
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    Re: New European research - kids should RF up till four years

    Quote Originally Posted by abacus2 View Post
    Looks like I need to tell my sister never to use the Cosco HBB combination seat I gave her as a booster. I'm amazed by how much damage can be done by having stuff in the trunk.
    And it wasn't just in hatchbacks or SUV's, the risk is there even with a regular trunk. Luggage can just bust right through. I guess the lesson is, strap EVERYTHING down in your cargo area/trunk.

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    Re: New European research - kids should RF up till four years

    It actually got on the 21 o'clock news here in Norway. They actually went as far as saying that they want to forbid FF car seats.

    DS 9YR FF in a high back booster seat(ERFing until he was 6YR), DD 4YR ERF in a Axkid Kidzofix.

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    Re: New European research - kids should RF up till four years

    Please someone sell me a Swedish seat. Please.
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    DD-2.5 ~24#, 33", RF in RA 55

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    Re: New European research - kids should RF up till four years

    Quote Originally Posted by *HH* View Post
    They actually went as far as saying that they want to forbid FF car seats.
    I do think that's a bit extreme. That erf is safer is an easy conclusion and I agree completely. However, I don't agree that a properly used ff 5 pt harness is categorically unsafe. Some of the severe injuries and deaths involved gross misuse and may have still been survivable ff with a proper harness. Consider the child in the OHS with the harness in the lowest (and unreinforced slots), the child in a shield booster or the one in the Dorel HBB with a poor seatbelt fit. In fact, there are very few instances in the crash data of correct ff harness usage. Not to detract from the findings of the study (because I am a proponent of erf), but all of the children are under age 4 and a properly used 5 pt harness could have changed the outcome in any of those.

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    Re: New European research - kids should RF up till four years

    I'm surprised a few of the car seats manufacturers in these studies haven't been sued out of existence, that's for sure
    And also glad for boosters expiring after 6 years... even a couple models of those (again, I'm surprised they are still on the market at all...) have been vastly improved, and if the old ones could keep on being used, kids would NOT be optimally protected.
    Sure wish top tethering were mandatory...
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    Re: New European research - kids should RF up till four years

    The blood drops on the booster, and the Broken OHS seat just did me in.
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    Re: New European research - kids should RF up till four years

    If I was the parent of the child in the Century booster, I'd probably sue after I'd been educated on what happened.

    /so thankful she will never think a booster at 3 is acceptable
    Sarah
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    Re: New European research - kids should RF up till four years

    Quote Originally Posted by crunchierthanthou View Post
    I do think that's a bit extreme. That erf is safer is an easy conclusion and I agree completely. However, I don't agree that a properly used ff 5 pt harness is categorically unsafe. Some of the severe injuries and deaths involved gross misuse and may have still been survivable ff with a proper harness. Consider the child in the OHS with the harness in the lowest (and unreinforced slots), the child in a shield booster or the one in the Dorel HBB with a poor seatbelt fit. In fact, there are very few instances in the crash data of correct ff harness usage. Not to detract from the findings of the study (because I am a proponent of erf), but all of the children are under age 4 and a properly used 5 pt harness could have changed the outcome in any of those.

    I think they were talking about "forbidding" FF seats in Group 1. Which means no FF seats approved for 9+ month olds.
    Bonnie, Mum to a (38lb) 3 year old rear-facing in a Brio Zento (Black)
    and a (40lb) 4 1/2 year old in a Booster in New Zealand.

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    Re: New European research - kids should RF up till four years

    So freaking glad I have a Two way...
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    Re: New European research - kids should RF up till four years

    Quote Originally Posted by Iluvbabies57 View Post
    So freaking glad I have a Two way...
    Don't rub it in. I'd knock you down for that seat.
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    Re: New European research - kids should RF up till four years

    Maybe we should all PM Adventuredad, he's not been around for awhile, but he DID offer to send us all giant RF Swedish seats when he WAS here...
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    Re: New European research - kids should RF up till four years

    I know. I was trying to figure up how much it'd cost to get one through him. He has a business which helps him somehow get the seats and with the fees.
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    Re: New European research - kids should RF up till four years

    it also helps that you could get the tax back. Its ridiculous...like 15 or 20% sales tax.

    www.globalrefund.com has a lot of info on it. It saved me $45.

    Not that I'm advocating importing illegal seats or anything

    Mama! if you come visit me, you can play with the TW. It may stop your envy of that particular seat for a few minutes at least. its a PITA to install! lol
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    Re: New European research - kids should RF up till four years

    Wow! I just finished it. Whew, that's just overwhelming.

    My questions, they kept referring to the fact that seats aren't allowed to be installed with a lapbelt only in Europe? Is that because they route the shoulderbelt behind the seat?
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