US airways limiting use of car seats on planes - everyone write!

MyLittleTyke

Senior Community Member
According to the US Airways website: http://www.usairways.com/awa/content/traveltools/specialneeds/children.aspx

A safety seat may face backwards if the infant weighs less than 20 lbs. For infants weighing between 20 and 40 pounds, the safety seat must face forward.

Children over the age of two may occupy an approved forward-facing safety seat provided the child weighs no more than 40 lbs.

:mad: :thumbsdown:

Here is the link for their e-mail form on their site. Let's bombard them with e-mails.

http://www.usairways.com/awa/content/contact/generalform.aspx
 
ADS

Morganthe

New member
Anybody else email them?

Ummm, nope :eek:

I don't think I've ever flown US Airways :scratcheshead:

Perhaps I would if I did, but I don't, so I'm not. :whistle:
And if any attendant gave me grief, I'd tell him/her to prove that my child weighs whatever they're saying she weighs. Even then, so what? The seat is approved for the weights marked right on it, not dictated by an airlines.


apologies for being in an extreme contrary mood.
 

Brendan's Mom

New member
I rarely fly US Air because the have an awful record of losing luggage, delays and cancelled flights. The problem is they are the biggest carrier out of Philly where we live. I did email them and will let you know what their response is! Tasha
 

Ali

New member
I e-mailed them!

Regarding your policies regarding carseats on flights: "A safety seat may face backwards if the infant weighs less than 20 lbs. For infants weighing between 20 and 40 pounds, the safety seat must face forward.
Children over the age of two may occupy an approved forward-facing safety seat provided the child weighs no more than 40 lbs."

This is simply archaic. The recommendation from safety experts and the American Academy of Pediatrics is to rearface (RF) to the limits of the seat which is 30-35lbs on all seats sold in the US. My 3 year old daughter still rides RF and prefers it over FF.

I have included several links with great pictures and videos of what happens to children’s necks when they are FF in a crash.

Most people are concerned about their child's legs being scrunched or broken in a crash. There is absolutely no evidence that shows a child's legs are in danger and I would much rather deal with a broken leg, than a broken neck.

I understand that if an aircraft were to crash, then it would be rare for anyone to survive, but considering the majority of airplane problems are turbulence or runway accidents, why shouldn’t children (our most precious cargo) be the absolute safest possible.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qef1TXZ05Dg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NMFPSStXfqE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y2DVfqFhseo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kRP7ynNI8mI
http://www.windsorpeak.com/dc/dcboard.php?az=show_topics&forum=13
http://car-seat.org/
http://forums.delphiforums.com/n/main.asp?webtag=Carseats&nav=messages&prettyurl=/Carseats/messages
http://www.thecarseatlady.com/car_seats/rear-facing_seats.html
http://www.aap.org/family/carseatguide.htm
http://www.tribstar.com/news/local_story_343205333.html
http://www1.freewebs.com/sacredjourneys/newbornpreschool.htm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B3BBv78HV6I&feature=related
http://www.stuff.co.nz/4144421a10.html

There are also many seats that allow a child to remain harnessed above 40lbs. Children are much more comfortable and safe in their familiar, harnessed seat. Why would you want them to be a potential behavior problem or less safe in just a lap belt?

Importance of harnessed seats
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=azgBhZfcqaQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y2LFo8vVi04&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V2kO8AxKbrM&feature=related

If this policy continues, I will choose to fly other carriers who have my child’s safety in mind.
 

Synchro246

New member
So I hate to be all contrary, but this has been a topic that's kinda been on my mind for a while.

So we like RF for cars because it protects a child more especially in frontal and side impact colisions. We like carseats on planes mainly because turbulance turns babies into projectiles. I totally get that for runway accidents, where there is a sudden deceleration, that RF would be safer. Turbulance is more of an up and down kind of thing, right? I unsure that RF vs. FF would matter too much for turbulance. :shrug-shoulders:


It would be cool if airlines had special carseats available and would make sure one was on the plane for your child when you checked in. If the seats were similar to the orbit toddler seat and they could easily be RF for take off and landing & FF for the majority of the flight that might be a great compromise. It'd also be super cool not to have to lug a seat thru the airport.
 

jessclear

New member
I like my DD to be RF on planes for the landing especially. I have had many flights where the pilots break way too hard and send my neck forward, I am always pleased that DD just sits back and is safe with no neck strain. The few times I have had her out of the seat for the landing and stopping, I wish I had her in a seat. :twocents:
 

MyLittleTyke

Senior Community Member
So I hate to be all contrary, but this has been a topic that's kinda been on my mind for a while.

So we like RF for cars because it protects a child more especially in frontal and side impact colisions. We like carseats on planes mainly because turbulance turns babies into projectiles. I totally get that for runway accidents, where there is a sudden deceleration, that RF would be safer. Turbulance is more of an up and down kind of thing, right? I unsure that RF vs. FF would matter too much for turbulance. :shrug-shoulders:

Actually, rearfacing on airplanese for as long as possible is recommended as strong, if not even stronger, than in vehicles because of the limited spacing between the seats. CPS safety explains it well:

http://www.cpsafety.com/articles/airplaneRF.aspx
 

aisraeltax

New member
i just emailed them.

to the previous posted, telling a FA anything these days could get you kicked off a flight or worse. I dont like to take those chances (not that I fly that often, but still...its not ok to have any confrontation nowadays).
 

natysr

New member
Okay, I wrote them, but...can we complain to the FAA because the carrier is not following the FAA policy in their Dec. 1, 2006 Circular?
 

Calideedle

New member
What I wonder about is it says the child in a Forward Facing seat can weigh no more than 40lbs. So I couldnt bring a Car seat on board for my 4yr old?

I never fly them but still!
 

crunchierthanthou

New member
to the previous posted, telling a FA anything these days could get you kicked off a flight or worse. I dont like to take those chances (not that I fly that often, but still...its not ok to have any confrontation nowadays).

see, I'd be okay with getting kicked off. I won't provoke them or seek it out, but I'll stand my ground. I'm not going to do something that isn't in line with FAA regulations, no matter their corporate policy. We travel often, but it's rarely under urgent circumstances. You could be sure I'd use that extra time to contact every local news media outlet about their so called safety practices. Much better that than have a 21 lb infant ff or 41 lb toddler without a carseat.
 

natysr

New member
see, I'd be okay with getting kicked off. I won't provoke them or seek it out, but I'll stand my ground. I'm not going to do something that isn't in line with FAA regulations, no matter their corporate policy. We travel often, but it's rarely under urgent circumstances. You could be sure I'd use that extra time to contact every local news media outlet about their so called safety practices. Much better that than have a 21 lb infant ff or 41 lb toddler without a carseat.

:bow:
 

Jan06twinmom

New member
Okay, I wrote them, but...can we complain to the FAA because the carrier is not following the FAA policy in their Dec. 1, 2006 Circular?

I almost bought tickets on US Airways recently for a trip, but I was concerned about flying with my 40lb 3 year old in his 5pt harness and his 29lb twin sister in a rf carseat.

I was actually wondering about sending a message to the FAA and point out their language that says:

Except as required in paragraph (c)(1) of this section, no certificate holder may prohibit a child, if requested by the child's parent, guardian, or designated attendant, from occupying a child restraint system furnished by the child's parent, guardian, or designated attendant provided:
(i) The child holds a ticket for an approved seat or berth or such seat or berth is otherwise made available by the certificate holder for the child's use;
(ii) The requirements of paragraph (b)(2)(i) of this section are met;
(iii) The requirements of paragraph (b)(2)(iii) of this section are met; and
(iv) The child restraint system has one or more of the labels described in paragraphs (b)(2)(ii)(A) through (b)(2)(ii)(C) of this section.

taken from:
http://www.airweb.faa.gov/Regulator...862571AB005032E6?OpenDocument&Highlight=child

Then include the language from the US Airways policy. To me, it seems like the US Airways policy is in direct violation of the FAA regulations.
 

An Aurora

Senior Community Member
So I hate to be all contrary, but this has been a topic that's kinda been on my mind for a while.

So we like RF for cars because it protects a child more especially in frontal and side impact colisions. We like carseats on planes mainly because turbulance turns babies into projectiles. I totally get that for runway accidents, where there is a sudden deceleration, that RF would be safer. Turbulance is more of an up and down kind of thing, right? I unsure that RF vs. FF would matter too much for turbulance. :shrug-shoulders:


It would be cool if airlines had special carseats available and would make sure one was on the plane for your child when you checked in. If the seats were similar to the orbit toddler seat and they could easily be RF for take off and landing & FF for the majority of the flight that might be a great compromise. It'd also be super cool not to have to lug a seat thru the airport.

I think the RF argument is stronger on airplanes. I haven't read the article link (off to do that!) but at least in airplanes there are never any rear impacts. Everything is frontal or side impact, in which case RFing is of course safer. This has been on my mind alot, as DH is going through flight school.
 

crunchierthanthou

New member

aww, thanks :eek: but it's not necessary.

We were denied use of our carseat on a flight in April and it was the worst trip ever. I'll never do it again.

The long story is that we were using up the last of our buddy passes from when I worked for an airline, so it was a situation where they could have escorted us off the plane and said "tough luck" if I'd raised a fuss. When we were given our seat assignments we didn't have a window and were told to gate check our carseat. I asked about it and was told rather snippily by the gate agent that there wasn't anything else left and we got what we got. We were last to board and the ground crew took our seat as we walked up the ramp. I asked again when we boarded and the FAs moved a nice gentleman to another row so we had a window seat, but by that time everything had been pulled away and stowed and they couldn't retrieve our seat for us.

Imagine an overnight flight with a 3 yo in nothing but a lapbelt. He kept trying to get up on his knees to look out the window as we took off. Then it took forever to calm him down and convince him to sleep (already almost midnight our time). Then once he did fall asleep he laid across two seats. The fasten seatbelt sign was on, so we had to keep him buckled up- though we would have anyway. It just looped around his torso (seatbelt syndrome, anyone?), but he fussed everytime I tried to slide him so that it was more on his hips. He seemed to sleep okay, though I didn't. there was quite a lot of minor turbulance and every bump put me in panic mode. When we were walking through the terminal at our destination he said "that was a bouncy ride!" so must not have slept as well as he seemed. He was none the worse for wear, but it was the worst 6 hours I've ever spent on a plane- not to mention the next sleep deprived day. It was such a contrast to the other 5 flights we've taken in the last month.

so yeah, if I'm ever in a situation where I'm a paying customer and want to use a carseat within FAA guidelines and manufacturer instructions, I'm going to stand my ground. We're out of buddy passes, so I don't anticipate flying stand-by again.
 

JerseyGirl'sMama

New member
see, I'd be okay with getting kicked off. I won't provoke them or seek it out, but I'll stand my ground. I'm not going to do something that isn't in line with FAA regulations, no matter their corporate policy. We travel often, but it's rarely under urgent circumstances. You could be sure I'd use that extra time to contact every local news media outlet about their so called safety practices. Much better that than have a 21 lb infant ff or 41 lb toddler without a carseat.

:thumbsup:

Reminder to self, get vacation insurance in case this happens.
 

Ali

New member
I actually got a response to my e-mail that I just sent yesterday! And it's not a form letter!

Thank you for visiting the US Airways web site.

Thank you for your information. Your concern about the rear facing car
seat is understandable and we aknowledge it. Please be aware that if a
passenger positions the car seat that way, it will be allowed since our
online statement does not say that if you position the car seat RF you
will be removed from the plane. Ultimately it is a passenger's choice
on how they want to do it.

It is the passenger's responsibility to educate themselves as you have,
on what is safer. Since the FAA does not even require that a car seat
is used, we cannot make something mandatory and we cannot force
passengers to do it one way or another way. That is why the website
information will remain unchanged. Also, please be aware that the rest
of the airlines have similar rules since they are also based on the FAA
rules. Below you will find the reasoning behind the FAA not making car
seats mandatory, this can be found on www.faa.gov.

FAA Announces Decision on Child Safety Seats

WASHINGTON, DC — The Department of Transportation's Federal Aviation
Administration (FAA) today announced that it will not mandate the use of
child safety seats on airplanes because of the increased safety risk to
families.

The agency said its analyses showed that, if forced to purchase an extra
airline ticket, families might choose to drive, a statistically more
dangerous way to travel.

The risk for fatalities and injuries to families is significantly
greater on the roads than in airplanes, according to the FAA. Last year,
nearly 43,000 people died on America's highways as compared to 13 on
commercial flights.

"Statistics show that families are safer traveling in the sky than on
the road," said FAA Administrator Marion C. Blakey. "We encourage the
use of child safety seats in airplanes. However, if requiring extra
airline tickets forces some families to drive" then we’re inadvertently
putting too many families at risk."

The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) supported the
FAA's decision based on current FAA and NHTSA studies that show a
mandate could result in another 13 to 42 added family member fatalities
over 10 years in highway accidents.

As the nation's leading advocate for the use of child restraint systems,
NHTSA Administrator Jeffrey W. Runge, M.D., today said that NHTSA
supports the FAA's decision. He said, "This is good public policy that
is in the best interest of safety for the traveling public."

To encourage families who fly to use child restraint systems, the FAA is
also broadening the categories of the types of systems that airlines can
provide on aircraft by amending its regulations permitting the use of
alternative child restraint systems to improve safety for children
otherwise secured only with a lap belt.

We certainly agree with your statement and thank you for the information
provided. We also wish that every passenger would get informed like
yourself and decide to purchase a second ticket so they can use the car
seat and that they place it RF.


Sincerely,

Alma Guzman
US Airways
Internet Support Desk

If you will be flying USAir please feel free to print this in case anyone gives you any trouble!
 

Neatfreak

New member
Is US Airways the only carrier in the US with a policy like that?

I've sure that I've seen the same statements from other airlines in Canada and abroad, though whether it's enforced to the letter is a different story.
 

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