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    What to do when no other options...???

    A few days ago, I posted about a check I was going to do at the distribution center with a father of 5. I was wondering about RF the 15 months olds (if I could get away with it).

    Anyway, he came today not only with only 2 of his kids (the 15 month olds), but also in a friend's car. His van was broken down. He needed me to help him install 4 seats in a 5 passenger car (98 Subaru Forester).

    Although I've been teaching myself about car seats for a year and a half, I've only been a tech since February. I am the only tech available in the area, so no other SR checkers to bounce ideas off of. I did the best I could today.

    The 15 mth olds went home RF in Sceneras (one on each outboard side). The 2 year old was not there, but his seat was installed in the middle of the back with lap only belt (no tether anchors installed).

    He had to have 4 seats installed because he had to pick up the 2 year old and the 4 year old from school/care later today. I told him that the 4 year old would be killed/severely injured in front of a deployed air bag, the manual had no way to turn it off. The seat could not go back any further.

    What would anyone else have done? He put the booster in the front seat despite my warnings, because he had no other options.

    Another pain with not having the actual vehicle available is not being able to be there when he installs the seats later. He assured me his van had locking seat belts, but how am i to know for sure? It was a 95 Dodge Caravan. Do they have locking latchplates?

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    Re: What to do when no other options...???

    The oldest FF harnessed child should go in the front with the seat as far back as possible. But it's up to the PARENT to make the tough choices.

    A 95 will probably need locking clips.

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    Re: What to do when no other options...???

    Quote Originally Posted by SusanMae View Post
    The oldest FF harnessed child should go in the front with the seat as far back as possible. But it's up to the PARENT to make the tough choices.

    A 95 will probably need locking clips.

    Susan
    I thought about that afterwards, but there was only a lap only belt in the center of the back (2 RF Sceneras on either side). The Scereras couldn't have RF side by side, do you think? Should I have turned one of them FF (2 15 month olds, one was 21 lbs, one was 18 lbs) just to fit the Sightseer in back outboard?

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    Re: What to do when no other options...???

    A 95 Dodge Caravan will have locking latchplates. Honestly, I'd have put the boostered kid up front too. The reason why? Because you may not be able to puzzle 2 RF sceneras and a booster without putting the booster in the center, and since there is no shoulder belt that just is not an option.
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    Re: What to do when no other options...???

    Quote Originally Posted by skaterbabscpst View Post
    A 95 Dodge Caravan will have locking latchplates. Honestly, I'd have put the boostered kid up front too. The reason why? Because you may not be able to puzzle 2 RF sceneras and a booster without putting the booster in the center, and since there is no shoulder belt that just is not an option.
    Okay, good, that's what I was thinking. I just HATED seeing him drive off like that. But I didn't know what else I could have done.

    Good to know about the latchplates. I knew Dodge was likely to have locking latchplates, so I explained that to him so he could check when he installed them in his own vehicle.

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    Re: What to do when no other options...???

    Quote Originally Posted by skaterbabscpst View Post
    A 95 Dodge Caravan will have locking latchplates. Honestly, I'd have put the boostered kid up front too. The reason why? Because you may not be able to puzzle 2 RF sceneras and a booster without putting the booster in the center, and since there is no shoulder belt that just is not an option.
    I agree. It's a lousy situation, but you do the best you can. Sometimes you end up in the "something is better than nothing" category.

    It's good that he came back to you even though he didn't have his car, though. That's a commitment to show up again even without what he normally has. And boy did he need your help today.

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    Re: What to do when no other options...???

    A dodge of that era almost always has locking latchplates. Chevy too - it's so common you can almost bank on it. lol
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    Re: What to do when no other options...???

    I think you did great. Being a tech is not only just about knowing and encouraging "best practice," but being able to figure out the best way to handle the less-than-ideal situations that we're faced with so often. I don't think anyone here could have done anything differently/better in this particular situation.
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