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    Graco 4ever and glider plane

    Hi everyone
    I want to know if the graco 4ever would fit perfectly in a glider plane? I want to pass my licence soon as possible and I see that this seat is faa certified and I want to see it on picture if someone have some picture I ask that because some off my cousin have children and it would be possible that I will take them for a short flight

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    Re: Graco 4ever and glider plane

    Hi everyone I send yesterday an e-mail to foca or federal office of civil aviation (the swiss faa) for more information about us car seat and if it's allow to fly with car seat who is faa certified

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    Re: Graco 4ever and glider plane

    It is FAA certified but whether it will fit or whether a car seat can be used in a small plane depends on the aircraft. Without knowing more about the aircraft I'm unsure what would fit. I can say that the 4Ever would likely be too wide for many small aircraft seats.

    In addition you need a 2 or 3 point belt to install a car seat on a plane. Without knowing what belt system the plane has we can't say if it is suitable.

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    Re: Graco 4ever and glider plane

    thanks for answering me
    I was this summer on the local aerodrom and the seat belt is a harness type belt and I guess (but not sure) it would be ok to install it but I'm not sure about the size I'll buy the graco 4ever and I ask if I could try to install this seat in a plane like this to be sure when I'm flying with underage kids and before I forgotte the foca (the swiss faa) and they answer me that it's ok and the kids should be in a child restraint Under the age of 24 months old and I'm gonna to try to install it rf I'll see this springs and send some pics off this installation

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    Re: Graco 4ever and glider plane

    You are in Switzerland, so why would you be buying a US car seat when you should be buying a seat that is legal in your country. Just because it is rated by the FAA for air travel does not make it legal in your country. I would advise you to look for a car seat that is FOCA certified, not FAA certified. Also generally when being certified by FAA, the seat is being certified for use on commercial airliner, not a private plane or glider. When using in a private plane, it is more it your discretion.
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    Re: Graco 4ever and glider plane

    Quote Originally Posted by bristolvacpst View Post
    You are in Switzerland, so why would you be buying a US car seat when you should be buying a seat that is legal in your country. Just because it is rated by the FAA for air travel does not make it legal in your country. I would advise you to look for a car seat that is FOCA certified, not FAA certified. Also generally when being certified by FAA, the seat is being certified for use on commercial airliner, not a private plane or glider. When using in a private plane, it is more it your discretion.
    There are no standards for small plane car seat use, as far as I'm aware. I have no problem with European customers using FAA certified seats in commercial planes there as long as the commercial airlines allow it (which they do) and it is not illegal for them to do so- only to use in cars there.
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    Re: Graco 4ever and glider plane

    Quote Originally Posted by Jérémie Zürcher View Post
    thanks for answering me
    I was this summer on the local aerodrom and the seat belt is a harness type belt and I guess (but not sure) it would be ok to install it but I'm not sure about the size I'll buy the graco 4ever and I ask if I could try to install this seat in a plane like this to be sure when I'm flying with underage kids and before I forgotte the foca (the swiss faa) and they answer me that it's ok and the kids should be in a child restraint Under the age of 24 months old and I'm gonna to try to install it rf I'll see this springs and send some pics off this installation
    There is no way to safely install a car seat with a harness type restraint, unfortunately. You must have a standard 2 or 3 point belt to use a car seat on a plane. So in this case, it is not safe for a child to ride in the plane until they meet the minimum set by the company who made the harness and fit it properly. Sorry!
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    Re: Graco 4ever and glider plane

    @ Bristolvapstl it recommended to use an ece 44/04 certified car seat but it's not forbidden to an us car seat and the traffic rules says that your kids should in a car seat until they reach 12 years old or 1 m 50 tall but they don't talk about the certification and I ask to the police if it would be ok to use an us car seat and they say it's ok and the the foca say that the us car seat should have the faa certification

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    Re: Graco 4ever and glider plane

    And as what I see this seat belt you can use as 2 points seatbelt

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    Re: Graco 4ever and glider plane

    and the faco tell me in their rules that the us car seat with the label with this restraint is certified for use in motor vehicle and aircraft is allowed and when I have buy the graco 4ever I'll try in a glider if it would fit in (in rear facing position)

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    Re: Graco 4ever and glider plane

    The foca says its ok to a faa certified seat

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    Re: Graco 4ever and glider plane

    I think it would be better to purchase an european seat because I call the swiss road departement and they answering that the insurance doesn't pay when the seat doesn't have the ece 44/04 or r 129 sticker and I think to take an another infant who would fit better in a small aircraft who are allowed (by tüv) for aircraft use. I never thought that it would be so difficult to have a good product like the graco 4ever

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    Re: Graco 4ever and glider plane

    I was looking about an European infant carrier but I found only two seat who are approved for aircraft use but the problem is That this seat would be ok for the plane but for the car well one off this seat is too large and when you install it and you have not enough and you have no choice to left it in the car and the second one have the problem is when you have a large baby or a baby who grew up fast you have no choice to purchase an another seat and maybe I want to buy the graco 4ever because for me it's look the better choice to fly a glider plane with small kids and I can use it only in a plane or for a short trip with my car (the nearest aerodrome is five minutes away from where I live )

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    Re: Graco 4ever and glider plane

    You seem to know that it is not legal to use a Grace 4 ever in a vehicle in Swizterland, yet you still insist on purchasing it. We have said it is fine to use in an air craft with a lap belt, not one with a five point harness. Some of us have told you to use a seat that is rated for your country. You have even stated that it has to be ece 44/05 or r 129. The Gracp 4 ever will not
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