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    The Rav4 outright prohibits 3 humans in the back seat at any given time. It is a 4 seater vehicle with 5 possible seating positions.

    With the Sorento and Santa Fe, neither outright prohibit 3 across or side by side with adults or car seats, but the car seat manufacturers DO prohibt the install of car seats or booster use when there are overlapping seat belts or lowe anchor straps. 2 car seats or boosters outboard with a non-boostered pre-teen/teen/adult is still not kosher as there would still be overlap.
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    The Forester does not have any overlap but is quite narrow width wise and front to back.

    The Honda CR-V does not have any overlap and is definitely workable for 3 across.
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    Re: Subaru Outback, Mazda CX 5, Hyundai Sante Fe and Kia Sorento

    Right- if either owner's manual specifically prohibits an installation for overlapping seatbelt or LATCH or any reason, then obviously you can't do it. Otherwise, it's a case by case basis.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CPSDarren View Post
    Right- if either owner's manual specifically prohibits an installation for overlapping seatbelt or LATCH or any reason, then obviously you can't do it. Otherwise, it's a case by case basis.
    My understanding is that when car seats and boosters are involved, the MACPS statement regarding 3 across outright prohibits the use of overlapping seat belts or lower anchor straps. This would take precedent regardless whether there is any formal prohibition or not from the vehicle. When the vehicle does not address it, 5 steppers/teens/adults are fine for 3 across but car seats/boosters are still bound to the MACPS guidelines.
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    Re: Subaru Outback, Mazda CX 5, Hyundai Sante Fe and Kia Sorento

    Quote Originally Posted by aporthole View Post
    My understanding is that when car seats and boosters are involved, the MACPS statement regarding 3 across outright prohibits the use of overlapping seat belts or lower anchor straps. This would take precedent regardless whether there is any formal prohibition or not from the vehicle. When the vehicle does not address it, 5 steppers/teens/adults are fine for 3 across but car seats/boosters are still bound to the MACPS guidelines.
    MACPS recommendations are guidance for techncians, like those from the CPS Board, SafeRideNews (LATCH Manual), the AAP or any other third party. If no similar statement is included in either owner's manual, there is no reasonable expectation parents or even most techs are aware of any or all of these guidelines from other agencies. So, certainly very good advice, but not a rule that MUST be followed if it is not also in an owner's manual.

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    Subaru Outback, Mazda CX 5, Hyundai Sante Fe and Kia Sorento

    Okay so if what I'm understanding is correct, there is no way to do 3 across in a Sante Fe/Sorento as long as one or more of the seats is occupied by a car seat or booster? So the only way 3 across is allowed, is 3 seat-belted adults/pre-teens (ie no car seats)?

    Because if that is so it makes our list shorter (pretty much the Outback/CX-5/Rogue).


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    Re: Subaru Outback, Mazda CX 5, Hyundai Sante Fe and Kia Sorento

    Quote Originally Posted by steph View Post
    Okay so if what I'm understanding is correct, there is no way to do 3 across in a Sante Fe/Sorento as long as one or more of the seats is occupied by a car seat or booster? So the only way 3 across is allowed, is 3 seat-belted adults/pre-teens (ie no car seats)?

    Because if that is so it makes our list shorter (pretty much the Outback/CX-5/Rogue).


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    I don't recall anything outright prohibiting 3-across in the new Santa Fe, but I may have missed it. Check your carseat manuals to see if any of them prohibit it, but most do not have such wording.

    You might also see if you can find an online owner's manual or make sure there is one available when you test drive to make sure!

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    Get an Outback - you won't regret it

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    On a side note -
    My parents have a 15 Outback and just leased a 15 Crosstrek. The Crosstrek is quite a bit smaller than the Outback. It's still nice but you do lose cargo and rear passenger space.

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    Re: Subaru Outback, Mazda CX 5, Hyundai Sante Fe and Kia Sorento

    Quote Originally Posted by SavsMom View Post
    Get an Outback - you won't regret it

    Haha! I have a feeling that's what we will end up with. But I'd like to test drive the CX-5 and Rogue just to be sure (and maybe the Sante Fe once I read the manual).


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    Quote Originally Posted by steph View Post
    Yeah we really need/want the cargo space.

    I won't rule out getting the mid trim level with eyesight. We are hoping to do the same thing we did with the Elantra and buy the 2015 model when they clearance them (once the 2016's come out). So maybe we could get a good deal on one with eyesight.

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    Don't count on getting one on clearance - they are in short supply everywhere. Some trim levels in my local area are a 6-8 week wait. When my parents picked up theirs a few months ago - the dealer had 4 back up orders if they didn't take it. Of course this varies by location.

    The resale value is HUGE on the Outback as well. Mine is 3 years old and still holds a book of $20k+ (it was $25k new).

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    Re: Subaru Outback, Mazda CX 5, Hyundai Sante Fe and Kia Sorento

    Quote Originally Posted by SavsMom View Post
    Don't count on getting one on clearance - they are in short supply everywhere. Some trim levels in my local area are a 6-8 week wait. When my parents picked up theirs a few months ago - the dealer had 4 back up orders if they didn't take it. Of course this varies by location.

    The resale value is HUGE on the Outback as well. Mine is 3 years old and still holds a book of $20k+ (it was $25k new).

    Yeah I know the chances of getting a deal as good as the Hyundai are slim but still hoping for some discount! I think the one sales guy said the 2016's come out in the next few months.


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    Subaru Outback, Mazda CX 5, Hyundai Sante Fe and Kia Sorento

    Alright Subaru Outback is our winner!! Probably going to buy towards June/July but at least we know what we want.

    The Mazda CX-5 was super fun to drive (performance was good, etc) but the interior is small and the backseat wasn't very comfortable (didn't recline, etc). Plus it had some blind spots.

    The Rogue was actually very roomy and had some nice features on the base model (like a rear view camera) but the performance wasn't as great (definitely seemed to lag some when driving). Overall though it did offer a lot of what we wanted space wise.

    But the Outback had it all; performance, space and looks. Excited to have a decision made!!


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    Quote Originally Posted by steph View Post
    Alright Subaru Outback is our winner!! Probably going to buy towards June/July but at least we know what we want.

    The Mazda CX-5 was super fun to drive (performance was good, etc) but the interior is small and the backseat wasn't very comfortable (didn't recline, etc). Plus it had some blind spots.

    The Rogue was actually very roomy and had some nice features on the base model (like a rear view camera) but the performance wasn't as great (definitely seemed to lag some when driving). Overall though it did offer a lot of what we wanted space wise.

    But the Outback had it all; performance, space and looks. Excited to have a decision made!!

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    Good choice! You won't be disappointed

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