Making kids safer, one question at a time.  Welcome to the Car-Seat.Org community!   Motor Vehicle Crashes are the #1 cause of fatal injury for children and adults, age groups 1 to 34.   Selecting a safe car, minivan or SUV, plus correctly using child restraints and seatbelts may be the most important things you can do to protect your family.   Need help installing an infant, convertible or booster seat?   Looking for carseat reviews or compatibility advice? Need help buying the best and safest car seats for your baby, toddler or older kid?   No question is a bad one, so please click here to ask our experts a question and then join our friendly community of moms, dads, caregivers and advocates in the USA and Canada.   Thank you for visiting; buckle-up and drive safely!


 

Sponsored Ads

Results 1 to 12 of 12
  1. #1
    CPS Fanatic zeo2ski's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2008
    Location
    upstate NY
    Posts
    1,196

    How many can you actually seat in a 12 passenger van?

    Chevy/GMC around 2004 ish (for stabilitrac and lowest price )

    If the 4th row can't take harnessed seats that means you can only put two boosters back there? If the 4th row center two seats are lap belt only but not allowed to install a harnessed seat aren't the totally useless? Which would make the 12 passenger only a 10 passenger. Am I missing something? And what year would have center lap/shoulder belts in that back row?

    Also, I remember KQ had rented a ford and ford told her the no car seats rule was because on the narrow seat belt spacing. How then do you fit a booster there? Just need a narrow based booster? I currently have a recaro prosport as a booster and it's wide. Can't imagine buckling it in a narrower seating position (currently 3rd row 98 suburban).

    My problem is outgrowing the 8 seated suburban trying to figure out what to get next with cost beings a factor. Used, cash.
    Cathy
    B-- 6.5y harnessed cowmoo FR85;
    Sl--5y RF RXT;
    H-- 2.5 RF RNXT;M--7mos CCOA--1 mos KF30 and R 1.5 RXT

  2. # ADS
    Sponsored Ads
    Join Date
    April, 2001
    Location
    Car-Seat.Org
    Posts
    Many
     
     

  3. #2
    CPS Fanatic zeo2ski's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2008
    Location
    upstate NY
    Posts
    1,196

    Re: How many can you actually seat in a 12 passenger van?

    And are the brackets the same to be able to trade that rear bench for a newer rear bench with l/s belts?
    Cathy
    B-- 6.5y harnessed cowmoo FR85;
    Sl--5y RF RXT;
    H-- 2.5 RF RNXT;M--7mos CCOA--1 mos KF30 and R 1.5 RXT

  4. #3
    CPS Fanatic Keeanh's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2010
    Location
    Salmon Arm, BC
    Posts
    2,976

    Re: How many can you actually seat in a 12 passenger van?

    GM/Chev full-size expert here

    No, you can't switch the old & new benches. The mounts are different.

    The front bench will have 3 lap-shoulder. The others will have lap belts in the middle. 2008+ will have all lap-shoulder.

    No headrests, but easy-ish to retrofit.

    Manual says you can't have 3 child restraints in a row. I ignore that. It's a stupid rule.

    Back seat doesn't have tether anchors. You can put RF & boosters there. I've also looked at swapping out the seatbelt buckle part with the same part from a 3-person bench because those have the tether anchors attached. Haven't actually tried it, though.

    LATCH is outboard on the 2nd row (1st bench). TAs are 2 for 2nd row (use for any seat, but only 2 at a time). 1 for 3rd row (middle or outboard passenger side I think...). 08+ should have 2 TAs & LATCH in the 3rd row due to using the new bench.

    Outboard seatbelts are incompatible with a few seats due to being so far forward of the bight.

    The outboard seats in the back row are wide enough for boosters. It's the middle two that are on the narrow side. I've had RF Radian + RF MyRide, and baseless Snugride + RF MyRide in those middle lap belts before. If you're treating it as a 3p bench, you can fit anything in the middle. I had a True Fit in one of those lap belts. Also a Frontier once. I tethered to the bar that anchors the seatbelts. Sue me
    17yrs, 15yrs, 13yrs, 11yrs , 9yrs (58", 75lbs, Incognito), 7yrs (46", 50lbs, Dreamtime), 5yrs (41", 35lbs, RN), 3yrs (30lbs, RF Marathon), NB (Peg 4-35)
    '14 Mazda5, '06 Chevy Express, '08 Toyota Tundra

  5. Thank You from:


  6. #4
    CPS Fanatic Keeanh's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2010
    Location
    Salmon Arm, BC
    Posts
    2,976

    Re: How many can you actually seat in a 12 passenger van?

    Just to sort of answer your original question...

    I've had 11 people in our van with the back seat out (so essentially an 11p van).

    1st row: DH & me
    2nd row: HBB - Radian - HBB
    3rd row (with headrests): adult - Radian - Literider
    4th row (with headrests): teen - RF MR - teen
    17yrs, 15yrs, 13yrs, 11yrs , 9yrs (58", 75lbs, Incognito), 7yrs (46", 50lbs, Dreamtime), 5yrs (41", 35lbs, RN), 3yrs (30lbs, RF Marathon), NB (Peg 4-35)
    '14 Mazda5, '06 Chevy Express, '08 Toyota Tundra

  7. #5
    CPS Fanatic zeo2ski's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2008
    Location
    upstate NY
    Posts
    1,196

    Re: How many can you actually seat in a 12 passenger van?

    Lol so wow that's a lot of rules to break! I didn't know about not putting three seats in a row...why? So then you have the 15 pass with the back row out--I was thinking that would give me more usable seats than the 12. I only have one boostered child so far, but my next one is close.

    So Chevy does allow RF CRs in the last row, or do you choose to ignore that rule ( not sure why I thought that, guess I assumed it was same as ford).

    With the forward of the bight belts and other restrictions I'm feeling like it might not do much good to get that van. I currently have
    8 yo tall 72 lbs Ds1 in recaro Prosport booster (shoulders almost touching bottom of headwings, plan to move to FR85 as booster next)
    6 yo 65? lbs. Harnessed FR85 top slot
    4 yo DD 44 lbs tall ( size 6) FF XTSL--diono top slot
    2 yo DD 34 lbs tall RF RN XTSL 4th slot
    11 mos DS 20 lbs RF CCO
    More bios and foster infants expected

    We've had 6 in the suburban no problem, but DH's truck needs replacing ASAP, so the plan is for him to take the suburban and me get a van. Just trying to guess how fast the big kids will grow and what fosters we'll get and how to fiteveryone in a van with all the restrictions...


    DH wants to buy this bus van. http:// http://fingerlakes.craigslist.org/cto/4813605091.html [URL="http:// http://fingerlakes.craigslist.org/cto/4813605091.html[/URL] aside from no stabilitrack I'd think it'd be even more top heavy? Then we'd need EZ-on harnesses I think.
    Last edited by zeo2ski; 01-22-2015 at 04:13 PM. Reason: fix link
    Cathy
    B-- 6.5y harnessed cowmoo FR85;
    Sl--5y RF RXT;
    H-- 2.5 RF RNXT;M--7mos CCOA--1 mos KF30 and R 1.5 RXT

  8. #6
    CPS Fanatic zeo2ski's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2008
    Location
    upstate NY
    Posts
    1,196

    Re: How many can you actually seat in a 12 passenger van?

    Keenan did you end up getting headrests?
    Cathy
    B-- 6.5y harnessed cowmoo FR85;
    Sl--5y RF RXT;
    H-- 2.5 RF RNXT;M--7mos CCOA--1 mos KF30 and R 1.5 RXT

  9. #7
    CPS Fanatic Keeanh's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2010
    Location
    Salmon Arm, BC
    Posts
    2,976

    Re: How many can you actually seat in a 12 passenger van?

    Yes, I have 6 headrests. They cost about $35 - $40 each to get & install.

    Still need to get 3 more on my front bench. The only rule I'm breaking is the 3-across one. I can't even remember what the reasoning was... I think it's because there aren't 3 tether anchors, or they didn't think 3 would fit... I remember it was stupid.

    The back bench allows RF seats & untethered FF seats, as long as the manual allows it. The wording is confusing, but it only means that if your seat needs a tether anchor, don't put it in the seats that don't have anchors.

    If you're looking for a budget solution, the Express is a good one. You just have to put your own headrests in.

    The Coccoro & Radians would have to go in the front bench or a lap belt. Frontier is compatible with the seatbelts. The outboard belts are great with boosters.

    Graco, Dorel, Evenflo seats are generally compatible with the outboard belts. FF Scenera is not (RF is fine). Radians etc. and Coccoro are not. I haven't tried Britax or Peg convertibles.
    17yrs, 15yrs, 13yrs, 11yrs , 9yrs (58", 75lbs, Incognito), 7yrs (46", 50lbs, Dreamtime), 5yrs (41", 35lbs, RN), 3yrs (30lbs, RF Marathon), NB (Peg 4-35)
    '14 Mazda5, '06 Chevy Express, '08 Toyota Tundra

  10. #8
    CPS Fanatic Keeanh's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2010
    Location
    Salmon Arm, BC
    Posts
    2,976

    Re: How many can you actually seat in a 12 passenger van?

    Clicked on your link. Sorry, but I wouldn't touch that bus with a 50 ft pole LOL. Nothing but lap belts would be a nightmare long-term. I've had my van for 5 years now. You might have to buy a Sureride or something if you need an outboard install, but it's really not too hard to deal with. Just a bit of a learning curve. Radians have to be LATCH or middle.

    Here's the headrest thing: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/...sheadrests.pdf
    17yrs, 15yrs, 13yrs, 11yrs , 9yrs (58", 75lbs, Incognito), 7yrs (46", 50lbs, Dreamtime), 5yrs (41", 35lbs, RN), 3yrs (30lbs, RF Marathon), NB (Peg 4-35)
    '14 Mazda5, '06 Chevy Express, '08 Toyota Tundra

  11. Thank You from:


  12. #9
    CPS Fanatic zeo2ski's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2008
    Location
    upstate NY
    Posts
    1,196

    Re: How many can you actually seat in a 12 passenger van?

    Thank you! Great price for the headrests compared to a sprinter or Nissan (too new). The express sounds more compatible than I was thinking. I really thought you weren't allowed to install on last row. Sounds like it ought to last us a few years. Might need mostly new seats, but the old can stay in the suburban DH has never had a back seat before, this will be such a luxury!) And a few are expiring in the next year or two anyway.

    That bus...I think we could do EZon adult harnesses but that wouldn't be really ideal. I have other concerns about its stability though. Love the center aisle concept! Guess I'll get to looking seriously for an express or savanna.
    Cathy
    B-- 6.5y harnessed cowmoo FR85;
    Sl--5y RF RXT;
    H-- 2.5 RF RNXT;M--7mos CCOA--1 mos KF30 and R 1.5 RXT

  13. #10
    CPS Fanatic zeo2ski's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2008
    Location
    upstate NY
    Posts
    1,196

    Re: How many can you actually seat in a 12 passenger van?

    And actually I have a few years left of frontier booster before I even need to get the headrests. We can reevaluate then.
    Cathy
    B-- 6.5y harnessed cowmoo FR85;
    Sl--5y RF RXT;
    H-- 2.5 RF RNXT;M--7mos CCOA--1 mos KF30 and R 1.5 RXT

  14. #11
    CPS Fanatic Keeanh's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2010
    Location
    Salmon Arm, BC
    Posts
    2,976

    Re: How many can you actually seat in a 12 passenger van?

    If you get one, let me know. I can probably save you a lot of frustration and skinned knuckles . I've tried a TON of seats in that van. What I really need to do is find some Britax seats to try out. 16 years of car seats and I have never owned a Britax convertible LOL.
    17yrs, 15yrs, 13yrs, 11yrs , 9yrs (58", 75lbs, Incognito), 7yrs (46", 50lbs, Dreamtime), 5yrs (41", 35lbs, RN), 3yrs (30lbs, RF Marathon), NB (Peg 4-35)
    '14 Mazda5, '06 Chevy Express, '08 Toyota Tundra

  15. #12
    CPS Fanatic zeo2ski's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2008
    Location
    upstate NY
    Posts
    1,196

    Re: How many can you actually seat in a 12 passenger van?

    Lol I've had a few but they were too short for my tall kiddos so I've moved on, but the new ones are maybe possibility. Most of my current seats will expire in the next year so I have a good excuse to try stuff out but I'll definitely run my options by you first. I don't have a local store to try out seats so I'm very glad you will share what you've already figured out!
    Cathy
    B-- 6.5y harnessed cowmoo FR85;
    Sl--5y RF RXT;
    H-- 2.5 RF RNXT;M--7mos CCOA--1 mos KF30 and R 1.5 RXT

  16. Thank You from:


Bookmarks

Bookmarks

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •