Question European routing

thekatie

New member

• Sep 17, 2013

• #1

Are there any other US seats, besides the CCO, that allows European routing with a seatbelt install?

 

katymyers

Active member

• Sep 17, 2013

• #2

Graco Snugride 35 allows it

 

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Jessica61624

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• Sep 17, 2013

• #3

katymyers said:

Graco Snugride 35 allows it

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Since when?

Aton does

 

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jordansmom

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• Sep 17, 2013

• #4

katymyers said:

Graco Snugride 35 allows it

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Do you have a link for this? I last used my SR35 18 months ago and at that time European routing was NOT an option.

 

ketchupqueen

CPST and ketchup snob

Staff member

• Sep 17, 2013

• #5

I've heard rumors it's allowed on the SR35 but they're just that- rumors. I have yet to see an official statement or manual change.

The Dorel Designer clones do. (I'm not sure if the Comfy Carry, which is being phased in as the Designer etc. are being kind of phased out in many stores, does or not.)

 

Pixelated

Moderator - CPST Instructor

• Sep 17, 2013

• #6

I have an email from my Cdn Graco contact indicating that it is allowed on the US SR35 seats but not Cdn ones.

 

ketchupqueen

CPST and ketchup snob

Staff member

• Sep 17, 2013

• #7

And yet they don't have that info on the US website (that I've seen) or state in US manuals. So I'm not taking that as fact until they do... Graco usually is quite good about mentioning changes on their blog.

 

katymyers

Active member

• Sep 17, 2013

• #8

ketchupqueen said:

And yet they don't have that info on the US website (that I've seen) or state in US manuals. So I'm not taking that as fact until they do... Graco usually is quite good about mentioning changes on their blog.

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I had been told by a CS rep during a phone call to Graco. I was told it's an identical shell to their European version of the seat. I never questioned it because I'd seen the same thing on the Car Seat Lady's website, not to mention it works really well I've literally been tempted to forgo the base entirely with that seat because that install is so secure.

 

thekatie

New member

• Sep 17, 2013

• #9

Sideline question - in Europe, is European routing only for infant seats? Or convertible seats too?

Thanks everyone. I've just been wondering, and then someone asked when they saw a picture of my CCO. It's interesting the different statements about the SnugRide; the lady asking was in Canada and said her friend had an infant seat she installed that way.

 

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D&L's-mommy

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• Sep 17, 2013

• #10

I find it nearly impossible to get a proper install using european routing with my cco, is there a trick to it?

 

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YinzerMama

New member

• Sep 17, 2013

• #11

What is the benefit to it? Does it prevent rotation at the top in any way? I'd hate to have to extract a sleeping kid from that.

 

creideamh

Well-known member

• Sep 17, 2013

• #12

Convertible seats aren't too common in Europe (as common as here*), but yes it can be found on RF seats above infant seats. The Joie Stages is an ERF seat that requires Euro routing to install. It helps prevent downward rotation.

 

ketchupqueen

CPST and ketchup snob

Staff member

• Sep 17, 2013

• #13

katymyers said:

I had been told by a CS rep during a phone call to Graco. I was told it's an identical shell to their European version of the seat. I never questioned it because I'd seen the same thing on the Car Seat Lady's website, not to mention it works really well I've literally been tempted to forgo the base entirely with that seat because that install is so secure.

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Graco's reps have been known to say all kinds of things they aren't supposed to. :/ Without an official statement I'm just not ok doing it.

Which is sad, because I usually get super-easy installs with Euro routing.

The only seat I know of that allows it in Canada is the Designer (and any clones you had up there.) Which is no longer around since 2012 compliance.

 

thekatie

New member

• Sep 17, 2013

• #14

D&L's-mommy said:

I find it nearly impossible to get a proper install using european routing with my cco, is there a trick to it?

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I follow the steps in the manual, then when I'm tightening the seatbelt I stand behind the CCO and use my hips to hold the seat in place, pull the lap portion of the belt tight with my right hand and pull slack out of the shoulder part (to feed the slack back into the whatever) with my left. I don't know if it would happen in every vehicle or position, but behind the passenger seat in my '08 RX350 having the seatbelt out enough to do the European routing automatically means it's out enough to lock.

YinzerMama said:

I'd hate to have to extract a sleeping kid from that.

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I was so scared of the same thing, but I don't have any problems. I also don't have issues putting J2 in, although he usually climbs in himself.

 

christineka

New member

• Sep 17, 2013

• #15

Maxi Cosi Mico. Not sure about the prezi. The Dorel Designer 22. The First Years via that can be installed baseless. (Early version and the latest version cannot.) Maybe the combi shuttle? I don't remember...

 

Brigala

CPST Instructor

• Sep 18, 2013

• #16

thekatie said:

having the seatbelt out enough to do the European routing automatically means it's out enough to lock.

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I suspect this is part of why it's not a common thing in North America. In Europe, the seat belts generally don't lock at the retractor, so you don't have that problem.

 

_juune

New member

• Sep 18, 2013

• #17

thekatie said:

Sideline question - in Europe, is European routing only for infant seats? Or convertible seats too?

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Yes, for any rearward facing Euro seat there will be some means to prevent downward rotation -- either "Euro routing" on all infant seats [all baseless installs and some installs with the base when the base has no support leg] and common belted convertibles ["non-Swedish", for the lack of a better name for them, all install kinda like this, with the shoulder belt around them], or a support leg, or on a few seats it's bracing [on the front seat or the dashboard], and there are two seats that have a mandatory Australian tether when RF. My guess would be that it's not possible to pass the Euro certification testing without some means to prevent the downward rotation.
Btw, the "common convertibles", all except Joie Stages, are RF to 13kg only; and I wouldn't actually say that they are not popular, it's just that they mostly get quite little RF use, because, well, the shoulder belt is in the way and it's hard to get the kid in and out. I had an older, belted Concord Ultimax convertible seat, and could only tolerate it for about 2 months. Lately with the new ISize regulation coming there have been quite many isofix convertibles released, most with support legs, some with an Australian tether.