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    baby b'air

    This product came up in another thread and is interesting to me. Just wondering if anyone has used it and why I've never seen it reccomended on here before for people flying with lap held infants?

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    So folks don't have to Google http://babybair.com/

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    Quote Originally Posted by TechnoGranola
    So folks don't have to Google http://babybair.com/

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    Sorry I thought I put a link in but obviously did something wrong :-/

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    Well, I don't really see the point to it. It's not approved for taxi, takeoff, or landing, so it doesn't provide any benefit there. During the rest of the flight, tethering the baby to you would be like tethering the baby to you at home on the couch. I suppose it could provide a benefit in sudden turbulence, but that's about it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LISmama810
    Well, I don't really see the point to it. It's not approved for taxi, takeoff, or landing, so it doesn't provide any benefit there.
    I was directed to their FAQ's when
    I asked this and the website claims that 90% of accident occur during the flight and only 10% of accident occur during the prohibited times.

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    Re: baby b'air

    Right... The most dangerous parts of a flight are take off and landing.

    They're not talked about or recommended because it's NEVER recommended to have a lap baby. The FAA doesn't recommend it. The NTSB doesn't recommend it. We don't recommend it. There, no need for a Baby B'Air.

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    Re: baby b'air

    Yep, I'll take a car seat instead.
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    Re: baby b'air

    i think im going to buy one, i have no choice but to take my baby as a lap baby in august

    eta: and the only reason i want one is because were taking a night flight and i dont wanna drop her haha
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    Re: baby b'air

    I'd use a baby sling instead. Far more comfortable, closer to you, so baby won't fall away, and more versatile.

    The best thing about these is they'll keep baby from being a projectile during turbulence.

    Are you moving in August? That's a lot of months away. Can you save up for a ticket, or change your plans? It's unusual to have a situation that "requires" a lap baby at that point, since the only time I can think of a lap baby being ok, and me being ok with my kids being at risk being hit by a lap baby, is if someone is unexpectedly dying and you must rush that day off to their side to be with them.

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    Supposedly this thing is designed to keep the baby out of the parent's crush zone, unlike a sling. Although I can't quite see how its design is doing that.

    I watched the video. The numerous references to "baby into the ceiling" by voice or animation made me want to purchase a seat for my baby. I wasn't convinced the product would do much so the video sure didn't sell me on it.

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    Re: baby b'air

    Sorry, I flew for a living for 13 years and have flown countless flights with my own children. I don't see the point.

    This "crush zone" theory doesn't even make sense! How much time have I spent looking at crash data?? Sorry, but having a baby on your lap is NOT safe and there is NO gizmo that will make it so, or even less so.

    The chances of bumping your head in turbulence is higher than dying in an accident. That is true. But for take-off and landing, the risk of crashing is much greater. I hate to see people scared of turbulence. When a boat rocks on the sea, they don't panic. They expect air travel to be totally smooth. Sorry if that's not reality. Be careful.

    I don't like the scare tactics they use and also, some posters have appeared on some boards pushing this product a bit too heavily. I'm not accusing anyone of anything but it just seems fishy. It doesn't happen with other products.

    Only once did I see a passenger "lose" their kid on the flight and he did it on purpose. He slid out of his sleeping mother's arms to go play (quite a few rows away and boy were they sad when I took him back!) Popular little guy! But no, dropping your kid is not a big risk.

    If you're worried, use a good quality baby carrier.
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    Ok so a total waste of money. Why is it that these product are even allowed to be sold? If a company tried to sell this stuff for use in a car they would be shut down so why do we treat planes so different?

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    Re: baby b'air

    There are plenty of POS that are unsafe and sold for cars. Walk down the carseat aisle in BRU. Bundle Mes, Snuzzlers, aftermarket covers, a whole bunch of mirrors, aftermarket chest clips, etc. Heck, even the Go Inflatable Booster. They are sold for one very simple reason. People will buy them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wendytthomas
    There are plenty of POS that are unsafe and sold for cars. Walk down the carseat aisle in BRU. Bundle Mes, Snuzzlers, aftermarket covers, a whole bunch of mirrors, aftermarket chest clips, etc. Heck, even the Go Inflatable Booster. They are sold for one very simple reason. People will buy them.

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    Re: baby b'air

    Quote Originally Posted by wendytthomas View Post
    There are plenty of POS that are unsafe and sold for cars. Walk down the carseat aisle in BRU. Bundle Mes, Snuzzlers, aftermarket covers, a whole bunch of mirrors, aftermarket chest clips, etc. Heck, even the Go Inflatable Booster. They are sold for one very simple reason. People will buy them.

    Wendy
    I've been wondering the same thing lately. I agree with your answer. People will buy them, so the companies will sell them. The part I wonder more about is why is it legal? It seems logical for people to assume that if something was really dangerous, our government would not allow it, so many people use these products thinking they are safe. And it's not like our government does a great job at publicizing the facts about car seat safety. I'm not trying to completely derail this thread, so if anyone is really interested in discussing this, we should probably make a new thread for this in the appropriate location. Either way, it's the part of this question that I wonder about (and find difficult to explain to/convince others). Whereas it comes as no surprise to me that companies would cash in however they can.

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    I guess the difference is we don't KNOW that a lot of things that might be unsafe actually are.

    COULD a BundleMe make a car seat unsafe? Yes, potentially, but not definitely. We have no way of knowing, really.

    The Baby B'Air is probably no worse than using nothing, it just provides no benefit. It's perfectly legal to use, just pointless.

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    Re: baby b'air

    People will buy them, so the companies will sell them. The part I wonder more about is why is it legal? It seems logical for people to assume that if something were really dangerous, our government would not allow it, so many people use these products thinking they are safe. And it's not like our government does a great job at publicizing the facts about car seat safety.

    Not to derail this thread but remember, the gov't. is not going to step in unless there is clear evidence that something is dangerous. Example, rfing car seats in front seats with air bags. There were deaths and now there are laws.

    With products for air travel, it's even tricker than with cars and Wendy gave great examples of the products sold for that! There just aren't that many crashes to have enough data to make an air-tight case against something or some practice. When we discussed lap babies in training, we asked how it's allowed. We were told, 20 years ago, that there were maybe 30 children who lost their lives in 30 years vs. 10 million lap babies per year who get to their destination safely. Commercial air travel is safe.

    Basically, to ban a product, you need to show cases where the product was used and proved to be unsafe. I've never seen this product on any of my flights so even if something happened with it being used, there's probably nothing to compare it to.

    We're in a market economy and there is definitely a spirit of "get gov't. out of our lives" mentality so bringing in more regulation is not what's welcome right now.
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    Hi, I have used a baby b'air when we flew cross-country a couple years ago with our then 20 month old. I actually liked having it, I felt more comfortable knowing she couldn't accidentally wriggle off my lap. And I did use it during taxi, takeoff and landing, the flight attendants never stopped me. All that being said, I will say that having a seat for a child is way more convenient (and comfortable!). We bought a seat for our infant when we just had one child, but chose to do a lap infant this particular time since we had 2 children and it was so expensive. So, my recommendation is, buy a seat if possible, if that's not an option for you, then I felt the baby b'air gave me peace of mind that my baby would at least not end up on the floor!

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