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    2011 IIHS booster ratings out

    http://www.iihs.org/news/rss/pr101311.html

    It's still subjective, but I like their pictures showing their criteria.

    all 5 Harmony Juvenile, and Bubblebum got best bets.

    this is interesting:

    Small change, big difference: Diono, which recently changed its name from Sunshine Kids, bumped an existing seat, the Monterey, from check fit to BEST BET by changing the shoulder belt guide. The new ranking applies when the dual-use seat is used in highback mode. The booster remains a "check fit" in backless mode. Consumers should look for Montereys manufactured after July 2011 to ensure they are getting the newer version.

    Meanwhile, the Evenflo Symphony 65, which has been a GOOD BET since 2009, now has a sister seat, the Symphony 65 e3. It has a slightly different shoulder belt guide, and that makes enough of a difference to make it a BEST BET.
    I like to think we had a little something to do with at least the first one. We've been pretty vocal about the Monterey fitting a bit wide. Or maybe they were aiming for the IIHS rating and not appeasing us.

    any guess as to why the SGL is best bet, but SG is only good bet? Like I said, subjective.

    news story here- http://www.usatoday.com/money/autos/...ats/50747988/1


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    Re: 2011 IIHS booster ratings out

    Last edited by Kecia; 10-13-2011 at 12:33 AM.

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    Re: 2011 IIHS booster ratings out

    Where are the Eddie Bauer/Dorel 3-in-1 seats? I do see the Safety 1st all-in-one and AOE on the not recommended list.

    Melanie

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    Re: 2011 IIHS booster ratings out

    The Dale Earnhart seat and the Pronto are on the Best Bet list!

    The Summit and the Vantage should be on the not recommended list.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kecia
    I had! Or at least Google reader. And the news forum, too. I guess everyone's rss feed was slow tonight.

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    Re: 2011 IIHS booster ratings out

    Quote Originally Posted by crunchierthanthou View Post
    I like to think we had a little something to do with at least the first one. We've been pretty vocal about the Monterey fitting a bit wide. Or maybe they were aiming for the IIHS rating and not appeasing us.
    I still maintain Kecia deserves royalty checks for some of the improvements Harmony made a couple years ago!

    any guess as to why the SGL is best bet, but SG is only good bet? Like I said, subjective.
    Apparently, slight differences in features, padding/soft goods and even instructions can make a difference between similar models or even identical ones that vary only by fashions.

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    Re: 2011 IIHS booster ratings out

    any guess as to why the SGL is best bet, but SG is only good bet? Like I said, subjective.
    The "arm rests" are slightly different. The SGL's arm rests are a tad higher...that may make a difference in lap belt positioning on some kids.

    Actually, my kid is one of them. Almost 9 years old, 52" and 68 lbs. He has a good lap belt fit on the PWSG, but it's a better lap belt fit on the PWSGL.
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    Keep (11 yrs old, 57", 80 lbs), in an Olli, Ozzi & BB
    Sass (10 yrs old, 54", 76 lbs), in Santa Fe, Monterey & Olli
    Zilla (4 yrs old, 38", 36 lbs), FF in a PS, RXT & FR85
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    Re: 2011 IIHS booster ratings out

    Quote Originally Posted by clov878 View Post
    The "arm rests" are slightly different. The SGL's arm rests are a tad higher...that may make a difference in lap belt positioning on some kids.
    Yup!

    http://carseatblog.com/8193/britax-p...-photo-review/

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    Re: 2011 IIHS booster ratings out

    So now I can consider seats I didn't consider before. I think I need to try some new seats.
    Christine *mom* to

    Dd1 age 16 (seatbelt), Dd2 age 15 (seatbelt), Ds1 age 13 (seatbelt), Dd4 age 11 (Seatbelt), Ds2 age 9 (Probooster), Dd4 age 7 (frontier), and dd5 age 1 (rfing radian r120)

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    Re: 2011 IIHS booster ratings out

    Quote Originally Posted by tjham View Post
    The Dale Earnhart seat and the Pronto are on the Best Bet list!
    Why the rolleyes? The Pronto fits lots of kids quite well.
    CPST and Mama to a 13yo girl, 5-stepped at age 10 and 5'

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    Re: 2011 IIHS booster ratings out

    Quote Originally Posted by carseatcoach View Post
    Why the rolleyes? The Pronto fits lots of kids quite well.
    The kids embrace seat has always looked like a very good booster. Just not a long lasting harnessed seat.
    Christine *mom* to

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    Re: 2011 IIHS booster ratings out

    The Pronto I have sitting in my garage and want to return if I can leave the house?

    The darned thing doesn't work for the lady I bought it for!
    I would NEVER buy one that needs head support again.

    Even if I put it outboard for her, it might get moved to the middle.
    Seatbelt and 59" (9 YO)
    Harmony Youth (8 YO)/Clek Olli (6YO)
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    Clek Fllo (3 YO, RF)/Graco 40 (15 months)
    + 2 Recaro Performance boosters in spare car

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    Re: 2011 IIHS booster ratings out

    Quote Originally Posted by crunchierthanthou View Post

    It's still subjective,


    http://www.iihs.org/research/topics/...lines_0811.pdf
    Looks pretty objective to me.
    Melissa, CPST and Mom to three

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    Re: 2011 IIHS booster ratings out

    Right, I understand that the Pronto doesn't work for everyone in every situation. It's not my favoritest booster either.

    But the IIHS tests were designed to assess belt fit on the 6yo dummy, and I can very easily believe that the Pronto fit the dummy well and therefore fairly earned its rating.
    CPST and Mama to a 13yo girl, 5-stepped at age 10 and 5'

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    Re: 2011 IIHS booster ratings out

    Quote Originally Posted by Pixels View Post

    Pretty objective, but very limited in scope. The subjectivity comes in as to what size occupant to use and the human element of installing and using the booster according to instructions. Unlike a crash test, were it is more purely numbers, there is definitely more of a human factor in a fit assessment.

    The same can be said of their rear crash ratings for vehicles. That does not diminish the test results, as long as people are aware of how to apply the results to their situation.

    Incidentally, here is a list of the boosters evaluated:

    2011 IIHS BOOSTER EVALUATION RESULTS


    Best Bets
    Britax Frontier 85
    Britax Frontier 85 SICT
    Britax Parkway SGL (highback mode)
    BubbleBum
    Chicco KeyFit Strada (highback mode)
    Clek Oobr (highback mode)
    Cosco Pronto (highback mode)
    Cybex Solution X-Fix
    Diono/Sunshine Kids Monterey (highback mode)
    Eddie Bauer Auto Booster (highback mode)
    Evenflo Big Kid Amp
    Evenflo Big Kid Sport (backless mode)
    Evenflo Maestro
    Evenflo Symphony 65 e3
    Ferrari Dreamway SP (highback mode)
    Graco Argos 70 (highback mode)
    Graco TurboBooster – Baldwin (highback mode)
    Graco TurboBooster Elite (highback mode)
    Harmony Cruz Youth Booster/Harmony Carpooler
    Harmony Dreamtime (backless mode)
    Harmony Dreamtime (highback mode)
    Harmony Olympian/Secure Comfort Deluxe
    Harmony Youth Booster Seat
    Kids Embrace Dale Earnhardt Jr.
    Maxi-Cosi Rodi XR (highback mode)
    Recaro ProBOOSTER
    Recaro ProSPORT
    Recaro Vivo
    Safety 1st Boost Air Protect (highback mode)
    Safety 1st S1 Rmi Air
    The First Years B570 Pathway

    Good Bets
    Britax Parkway SG (highback mode)
    Combi Kobuk Air Thru (backless mode)
    Combi Kobuk Air Thru (highback mode)
    Evenflo Symphony 65
    Maxi-Cosi Rodi (highback mode)

    Check Fit
    Britax Parkway SG (backless mode)
    Britax Parkway SGL (backless mode)
    Chicco KeyFit Strada (backless mode)
    Clek Olli
    Clek Oobr (backless mode)
    Clek Ozzi
    Cosco Ambassador
    Cosco Highback Booster
    Cosco Pronto (backless mode)
    Diono/Sunshine Kids Monterey (backless mode)
    Diono/Sunshine Kids Santa Fe
    Eddie Bauer Auto Booster (backless mode)
    Evenflo Big Kid LX (backless mode)
    Evenflo Big Kid LX (highback mode)
    Evenflo Big Kid No Back Booster
    Evenflo Big Kid Sport (highback mode)
    Ferrari Ola
    Ferrari Dreamway SP (backless mode)
    Graco Argos 70 (backless mode)
    Graco Backless TurboBooster – Aspen
    Graco Backless TurboBooster – Baker
    Graco Backless TurboBooster – Love Hearts
    Graco Nautilus – Matrix (backless mode)
    Graco Nautilus – Matrix (highback mode)
    Graco Nautilus Elite (backless mode)
    Graco Nautilus Elite (highback mode)
    Graco Smart Seat
    Graco TurboBooster – Baldwin (backless mode)
    Graco TurboBooster Elite (backless mode)
    Maxi-Cosi Rodi (backless mode)
    Maxi-Cosi Rodi XR (backless mode)
    Safety 1st Boost Air Protect (backless mode)
    Safety 1st Go Hybrid
    Safety 1st Summit
    Safety 1st Vantage
    Safety 1st Ventura
    The First Years Compass B505
    The First Years Compass B530
    The First Years Compass B540
    Volvo Booster (backless mode)
    Volvo Booster (highback mode)


    NOT RECOMMENDED
    Evenflo Chase
    Evenflo Express
    Evenflo Generations 65
    Evenflo Sightseer
    Safety 1st All-in-One
    Safety 1st Alpha Omega Elite

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    Re: 2011 IIHS booster ratings out

    Anyone know what changed between the nautilus and the argos? The nautilus was a bad fit on my kids as booster and is in the "check fit" category, but the argos is in the "best bet" category. Something has to be different.
    Christine *mom* to

    Dd1 age 16 (seatbelt), Dd2 age 15 (seatbelt), Ds1 age 13 (seatbelt), Dd4 age 11 (Seatbelt), Ds2 age 9 (Probooster), Dd4 age 7 (frontier), and dd5 age 1 (rfing radian r120)

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    Re: 2011 IIHS booster ratings out

    I have an Argos 70 on hand, but not a Nautilus. The head restraint section was certainly modified for front adjust. I don't know offhand if other geometries changed.

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    Re: 2011 IIHS booster ratings out

    Why is the Britax SG and SGL in different categories? I thought the only difference was latch vs no latch. Does Latch have a crash difference? Or did I miss something else?

    tam

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    Re: 2011 IIHS booster ratings out

    Quote Originally Posted by tam_shops View Post
    Why is the Britax SG and SGL in different categories? I thought the only difference was latch vs no latch. Does Latch have a crash difference? Or did I miss something else?

    tam
    See post 12 in this thread;-)

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    Re: 2011 IIHS booster ratings out

    Quote Originally Posted by CPSDarren View Post
    Pretty objective, but very limited in scope. The subjectivity comes in as to what size occupant to use and the human element of installing and using the booster according to instructions. Unlike a crash test, were it is more purely numbers, there is definitely more of a human factor in a fit assessment.
    What size occupant to use: The standardized 6yo ATD. No subjectivity there.
    Crash tests are subjected to at least as much human element. The seats must still be installed and used according to instructions. In fact, there is probably more "human element" in harnessed seats where the seat is installed in the vehicle and then the child is installed in the seat. Yes, the output is numerical, as it is with the booster evaluation. They are measuring how far the booster places the belt from a certain point on the dummy. Then the IIHS is converting those numbers back into terms the average person can easily understand.
    Melissa, CPST and Mom to three

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