Have you ever seen a carseat like this?

Michi · Jun 28, 2007

I realize it's European, but I thought this was SO interesting!
Car-bed up to 40 lbs!?!
http://www.johnlewis.com/Nursery/Baby+Travel/Baby+Travel/Car+Seats/566/230306244/Product.aspx

Gypsy · Jun 28, 2007

It was briefly talked about here http://www.car-seat.org/showthread.php?t=11971&highlight=Aprica+Euro

CRS · Jun 28, 2007

Wow that looks really similar to the Akta Graco DuoLogic Swedish RF seat

Except that for it doesn't turn in to a complete bed - how weird!

Michi · Jun 28, 2007

I guess I missed that thread

Thanks!

There are so many neat European seats. I just sometimes wish we had more to choose from here in the U.S.

Victorious4 · Jun 28, 2007

Around the time that thread started, someone in the UK emailed lil ol' me asking about it -- I was like "Whaaaaaaaaaaat...is...THAT?"

I got some really informative responses from some overseas techs via the CPSPListserve! Someone in Japan was quite against its concept & all carbeds in general (except for absolute medical necessity).

Loves2sing · Jun 28, 2007

That is a neat seat. Man I wish they had European Seat Dealer around here just so that I could play with the seats. They wuoldn't have to even sell them, I just want to see them in person. Then again, once I saaw them I would be whining about how much I wanted to OWN one! LOL!

ThreeBeans · Jun 28, 2007

papooses said:
Around the time that thread started, someone in the UK emailed lil ol' me asking about it -- I was like "Whaaaaaaaaaaat...is...THAT?" I got some really informative responses from some overseas techs via the CPSPListserve! Someone in Japan was quite against its concept & all carbeds in general (except for absolute medical necessity).

What was his reasoning? I really don't know anything about them beyond that they're the only safe option for some preemies.

Michi · Jun 28, 2007

JennasMommy said:
Man I wish they had European Seat Dealer around here just so that I could play with the seats. They wuoldn't have to even sell them, I just want to see them in person.

:yeahthat: I SOOOO agree! I would LOVE to play with the Swedish RF seats!

For the above seat - I just thought it was cool how the sides of the 'carbed' feature become SIP once it is FF.....

Morganthe · Jun 28, 2007

Nice seat & concept -- But OH Wow! the price

660 pounds = around $1200!!

Lea_Ontario · Jun 28, 2007

Morganthe said:
660 pounds = around $1200!!

Victorious4 · Jun 28, 2007

Mainly that in a carbed the crash force isn't distrubited as well as in an RF seat & that we should be pushing for insurance to provide coverage for babies to stay in hospitals until they are ready for an RF seat.

ThreeBeans · Jun 28, 2007

papooses said:
Mainly that in a carbed the crash force isn't distrubited as well as in an RF seat & that we should be pushing for insurance to provide coverage for babies to stay in hospitals until they are ready for an RF seat.

Interesting.

But, um, wouldn't that be months and months for otherwise healthy babies

Cathyliz · Jun 28, 2007

I think it's awesome! We were actually just talking about this last week in my CPST class. This would be a great option for kids that are in partial body casts that wouldn't otherwise fit in regular car seats. The specialized seats for kids in casts are pretty expensive, too. I think if a seat like this were needed, the hospital may be the ones to buy it and loan it to the family. They'd probably charge insurance companies for it as "medical-related equipment".

:thumbsup:

Judi · Jun 28, 2007

I just love looking at seats I haven't seen before!

Defrost · Jun 29, 2007

papooses said:
Mainly that in a carbed the crash force isn't distrubited as well as in an RF seat & that we should be pushing for insurance to provide coverage for babies to stay in hospitals until they are ready for an RF seat.

Wow, that would have been a nightmare. Has he ever had a baby in the hospital? Two of mine rode in the DreamRide carbed for months because they had pretty severe reflux (apnea monitors, surgery - they weren't typical refluxers). It would have been beyond impractical to keep them in the hospital that long just because they screamed and puked if they sat in a carseat for too long!

I must say, though, that this carbed looks more like a Dream-Ride than the one we had!

Victorious4 · Jun 29, 2007

I've heard elsewhere from some medical professionals that carbeds do not actually increase breathing abilities that much in comparison to correctly used RF seats & are more often only necessary for more extreme/rare conditions, but I don't remember who/where I heard this

ITA that there's no way I'd want my baby in the hospital any longer than absolutely necessary, though

Defrost · Jun 29, 2007

papooses said:
I've heard elsewhere from some medical professionals that carbeds do not actually increase breathing abilities that much in comparison to correctly used RF seats & are more often only necessary for more extreme/rare conditions, but I don't remember who/where I heard this ITA that there's no way I'd want my baby in the hospital any longer than absolutely necessary, though

I'm really not sure about the breathing issues, but I do think that the reflux issue is definitely related to the style of carseat. The ones my boys were using around 10 years ago had "sloped" backs and 3-point harnesses, which made them "curl" up, putting them in a position that really exacerbated their reflux. I've noticed most infant seats nowadays have flat backs and actual "seats" (like a seat bight), with 5pt harnesses that help keep them from slouching, so the babies' backs are straight. I would guess that this would be true with the breathing issue as well. I wonder if the evidence about breathing issues is based on the older model carseats?

Morganthe · Jun 29, 2007

papooses said:
Mainly that in a carbed the crash force isn't distrubited as well as in an RF seat & that we should be pushing for insurance to provide coverage for babies to stay in hospitals until they are ready for an RF seat.

The one reason I'm so thankful I gave birth in a military hospital instead of a German one is that they require all babies to be at least 3 kilos (6.6lbs) to be released.
DD would have remained in the hospital for another 10 weeks at minimum. After she got well from the pneumonia, it took 5 weeks to regain her birth weight of 5.5lbs from her illness that dropped her down to 4.5lbs. Then another 5 weeks to add an additional pound to reach that target weight. She was a lightweight, but very healthy when she was discharged. It wouldn't have been good for us, her overall health, and our bfing relationship to have her 25 minutes down the road at the hospital

I'd support a better invented system for travel, even to keep the infant at home the entire time after the initial journey for a set time period, before I'd suggest longer expensive and uneccessary stays in hospitals.

ThreeBeans · Jun 29, 2007

Oh man, if I had had to wait for DS to be 6.6 lbs to go home he would have been in the hospital for weeks

Morganthe · Jun 29, 2007

I should have clarified better... Homburg NICU required the 3kilo minimum weight. I can't say for other German hospitals if they have the same requirements. It was the nearest unit and where I would have had to give birth due to High Risk category if the military couldn't take me due to space constraints.
:sorry!:

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