Question My friend FF her 15 month old

farrbabies · Jun 13, 2011

Hi
I'm new here. My friend responded to a post on fb of my son RF at 21 months. She first asked where on earth I found a carseat that would accommodate that. I responded with my britax and sunshine kids. I also mentioned the senera my babysitter uses for my son and it RF till 40 pounds. She said she didn't want her sons legs to be broken. I responded that broken legs are uncommon but broken necks are more serious. Any tips to convince her to turn her son around? My other friend saw the post and said her kids legs were also too long to stay RF.
Btw my sitter was so nice to reinstall her seat RF for my son. It's so nice "some" ppl understand.

I read your posts as much as I can and I love to learn.

Ellen

KaiLing · Jun 13, 2011

Here's some phrases I use, all across the polite / scary / confrontational spectrum:

"I used to think he'd be uncomfortable, too, but he can sleep so much better RF and I'm not messing with toddler sleep until I have to. He likes putting his legs up, like in a lounge chair, and he can see more out of the window because he'd be so much lower FF."

"Any crash that would break a RF child's legs would likely break a FF child's neck."

"They've still got those baby heads until 24 months, and in a crash their big heads are just too heavy for their spines. I'm too scared of that to go against the AAP's recommendation."

"Isn't it great that they made a Scenera that goes to 40 lbs RF? Only $50 to have my kid 5 times less likely to die or be seriously injured in the second year is great!"

"Yeah, I know we're the only family around here doing it, but I'm trying to teach my kids that peer pressure is less important than doing what we know is 5 times safer. I'm fine with people making fun of me, I'm not fine with spinal injuries."

(No one would ever tell me their kid was too tall or heavy since I've got the tallest / heaviest kid of anyone I know.)

SignCuer · Jun 13, 2011

That and I always include:

Legs- Cast it
Neck- Casket

It gets the message through quickly and swiftly.

Brianna · Jun 13, 2011

I would be as nice and friendly as you possibly can be. Tell her you're amazed at how much you didn't know about car seats and you were surprised to know that it is no longer recommended to FF at 1 year. Tell her you were concerned about legs too but you found out any crash that will break a leg RF will break a neck FF. The more you empathize with her and show her you were unaware too the more likely she is to learn with you.

What I like to do is show people the video I found that convinced my friend to keep her son RF, and tell them that I was shocked about what I didn't know before watching the video. Search youtube for "the importance of rear facing".

Jennifer mom to my 7 · Jun 13, 2011

http://www.car-seat.org/showthread.php?t=174166

This.

And, that the most common injuries in forward facing children are lower extremity injuries.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16966993

And my favorite video.

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farrbabies · Jun 14, 2011

Omg her husband responded..."there is a danger of sitting cross legged though if you sit to long in that position for period lengths of time even 20 minute intervals blood clots may form killing the kid. Worse yet when the kids legs are broken another projectile to kill em...listen I'm still for safety of my kids and I do what's right for them but nothing beat growing up as a kid travelling in the back of moms car...."

I responded how north American standards are way behind Swedens. They have 0 deaths due to erf. Etc...

I guess I can't convince them.

babygirlsmom1005 · Jun 14, 2011

farrbabies said:
Omg her husband responded..."there is a danger of sitting cross legged though if you sit to long in that position for period lengths of time even 20 minute intervals blood clots may form killing the kid. Worse yet when the kids legs are broken another projectile to kill em...listen I'm still for safety of my kids and I do what's right for them but nothing beat growing up as a kid travelling in the back of moms car...."

I responded how north American standards are way behind Swedens. They have 0 deaths due to erf. Etc...

I guess I can't convince them.

I'd like to see his studies showing sitting cross legged, rear facing is a fatal danger to a kid with formed blood clots

Apparently the AAP (American Academy of Pediatrics) doesn't think it's much concern with their now min. recommendation of 2 years old http://www.aap.org/advocacy/releases/carseat2011.htm

That's a new excuse, I will say, I have never heard that one before. I guess I should be thanking my lucky stars my 5.5 year old is still around and not offed by a blood cloth....she was permanently turned forward facing in April of this year when she outgrew the Radian by height, before that, she was rear facing.....

canadiangie · Jun 14, 2011

Legs dangling off the edge of a FF seat isn't any better in terms of leg clots.

I'm not sure thrombosis (? Is that the correct term) is common in children.

But like pp said, this is a new excuse I've yet to hear either.

babygirlsmom1005 · Jun 14, 2011

This post reminds me of a picture I took of Madeline earlier this month....yeap, forward facing leg room is a must, this is usually how she sits in her Frontier....(ignore the mixed matched socks...she dressed herself

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That pic kinda reminds me of this one when she was rear facing

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truckerswife · Jun 14, 2011

this is a nice little pamphlet you could print out and give her

http://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&q...&sig=AHIEtbQSpnQBnk3aiabiN-hZ9RBymkohMA&pli=1

SAHDADDY · Jun 14, 2011

farrbabies said:
Omg her husband responded..."there is a danger of sitting cross legged though if you sit to long in that position for period lengths of time even 20 minute intervals blood clots may form killing the kid. Worse yet when the kids legs are broken another projectile to kill em...listen I'm still for safety of my kids and I do what's right for them but nothing beat growing up as a kid travelling in the back of moms car...."

I responded how north American standards are way behind Swedens. They have 0 deaths due to erf. Etc...

I guess I can't convince them.

that is the craziest reason i have heard yet on why not to ERF

hboo22 · Jun 15, 2011

Jaylee sits the same way in her Frontier!! With some people you can't win, I have just learned to accept that. I know my children are as safe as they can be in the car!

todzwife · Jun 15, 2011

farrbabies said:
Omg her husband responded..."there is a danger of sitting cross legged though if you sit to long in that position for period lengths of time even 20 minute intervals blood clots may form killing the kid. Worse yet when the kids legs are broken another projectile to kill em...listen I'm still for safety of my kids and I do what's right for them but nothing beat growing up as a kid travelling in the back of moms car...."

I responded how north American standards are way behind Swedens. They have 0 deaths due to erf. Etc...

I guess I can't convince them.

Whaaaa? Because when their legs are broken, they fly off and hit them in the head? Honestly, the "we were fine, I remember rolling around in the back of mom's car" excuse gets me so angry. They are still alive because they weren't in a crash. If they HAD been in a crash they wouldn't be around. Plain and simple. But it's the "it won't happen to me" mentality.

You've done what you can. You can't convince everyone. Unfortunately almost everyone in my "circle" turns their babies around right at 1 year, despite my pleading. It's sad, but I've done everything *I* can to change their minds...

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