From CPS Express: Setting the Record Straight on Overtightening Seatbelts

ketchupqueen

CPST and ketchup snob
Staff member
We've had quite a few questions lately on overtightening belts. Many come from posters who were told by CPSTs that their car seat SHOULD move at the belt path (sometimes even that they need to have MORE than 1" of movement) because otherwise the belt and/or car seat may be damaged.

This month's CPS Express (put out by the national board and sent to all technicians) had an article on this subject that I thought was worth posting for informational purposes for those who don't get it (or, um, don't read it. ;) )

Setting the Record Straight: Seat Belt Overtightening

There are two issues related to a “tight fit” that often resurface in the CPS community:

Question #1: Can a seat belt be over tightened when installing a child restraint?

Typically, inspection stations and check up events find that loosely installed child restraints as one of the major misuses. However, we also have seen the issue of over tightening of the seat belt. Although the NHTSA curriculum states that child restraints should not move more than an inch in any direction when tested at the belt path, technicians often work with an overzealous caregiver or fellow technician. The overzealous caregiver or technician believes in the Zen experience that a child restraint must be “one with the car” in order to be safely installed. Our responses often include:

1. It isn’t necessary.
2. It isn’t any safer.
3. A caregiver would have difficulty in replicating that measure of tightness.
4. Always follow the manufacturer’s instructions.

These simple responses don’t always seem adequate for the overzealous caregiver or technician and often continue to over tighten the seat belt feeling that this is the best way to secure the child restraint safely. Recently, the Manufacturers Alliance for Child Passenger Safety, a group of child restraint manufacturers, was contacted about this issue.

This is their statement released on October 1, 2010 in reference to over tightening the seat belt:

Over-tightening a safety belt could damage a CR’s belt path and/or its lock-off*. CR’s should be installed according to the manufacturer’s instructions. Proper tightness should be confirmed by grasping the CR with one hand at or near the belt path and pulling on the CR. There should be no more than one inch of side-to-side or front-to-back movement at the belt path.

* Sunshine Kids does not endorse the statement above and it does not apply to any model Radian® car seat.


It is critical that technicians let go of the “one with the vehicle seat” mentality. Please work with any overzealous tech or parent to assure them that the manufacturers know best how to properly use their restraint.

Question #2: Can over tightening a seat belt affect built in occupant protection systems such as pretensioners?

We have also heard that over tightening the seatbelt may result in damaging the seat belt pretensioners that are an integral function of the built- in or automatic occupant protection system.

This is not the case and the Alliance offered this statement:

Manufacturers Alliance for Child Passenger Safety Statement for CPS Technicians/Instructors: Using Safety Belts with Pre-tensioners to install CRs:

Unless the CR manufacturer instructions state differently, using a safety belt with a pre-tensioner is allowed if allowed by the vehicle manufacturer.

2010 Members of the Manufacturers Alliance for Child Passenger Safety include: Britax, Chicco, Clek, Combi, Dorel Juvenile Group, Evenflo, Graco, Learning Curve (The First Years), Mia Moda, Orbit Baby, Recaro, Safe Traffic Systems, Sunshine Kids.

Vehicle manufacturers were contacted to get their perspective on over tightening CRSs with vehicle pretensioners.

Barbara Birkenshaw of Volkswagen Group of America, Inc.:

The vehicle seat belt can be loaded with more than 10 kN and it is not possible to tighten a CRS with more than 500N. So over-tightening may not be an issue.

Lisa-Townsend, Strategic Planning Specialist of Chrysler:

It would be difficult, if not impossible, for someone to damage the webbing or pretensioner of a seat belt when using it to install a child seat. The exception would be if something sharp was in contact with the webbing, it may be cut. Seat belts have to withstand pretty high forces during a crash that would be difficult for someone to achieve when tightening.

Julie Kleinert, Advanced Safety Development General Motors:

We have not had any issues with seat belt or belt pretensioner damage due to over-tightening of the seat belts in car seat installations.

M. Todd Moury, Engineering Group Manager - Advanced Product Development Active Safety Benchmarking / Validation of Delphi Electronics & Safety:

It is virtually impossible to over tighten a child seat into a vehicle without a mechanical aid of some sort. Most people who over tightened their seat belts utilized tightening devices . Others utilize the reclining seat mechanisms to apply the leverage necessary to over tighten the belt system. In this situation, they recline the seat and tighten the child seat in place then lever the seat back upright to further push the child seat against the belt system. Most often this situation happens in the reclining front seat locations which are not the best positions for the child.

Most reviewers/experts have concluded that the potential risks of damage to the seat belt and/or the child seat far outweigh the slight possibility that the child might be minimally better protected by a seat that has been excessively tightened into the vehicle. It simply is not necessary to excessively tighten a child seat into the vehicle.

However, the potential to damage the belt system can arise if the tightening device or the routing path of the child seat causes the belt webbing or other belt components to be damaged (frayed belts, cracked plastic, etc.). The over tightened seat belt can also damage the child seat (cracked plastic routing guides, cracked seat bases, etc.). It is also possible to tighten the seat belt so much that the seat belt buckle can become extremely difficult to disengage. This is caused by the excessively tightened belt driving increased forces on the friction surfaces within the buckle release mechanisms. In this situation, the parent may not be able to quickly remove the child seat / child from the vehicle if the need arises.

The CPS Express staff thank all the contributors to this article and offer this summary to technicians responding to the overzealous caregiver or technician who over tighten the restraint:

1. Always follow the manufacturer’s instructions.
2. It isn’t necessary.
3. It isn’t any safer.
4. A caregiver would have difficulty in replicating that measure of tightness.
5. It may damage the child restraint belt path and base as well as the lock-offs.
6. It may damage the seat belt buckle making it difficult to release to quickly remove the child seat and child from the vehicle in an emergency.
7. Always follow the manufacturer’s instructions.

It may also be reasonable to recognize that over tightening lower anchor attachments may result in similar ways. Stay tuned as our research unfolds!

So. Basically, that falls in line with what my opinion has been: if you easily get a solid install, it is not necessary to continue tightening until the install has absolutely no movement if doing so requires "tricks," nor is it necessary to loosen an install that easily does get that solid without tricks just so that there is movement. Follow the manufacturer's instructions, get less than 1" of movement at the belt path, and do not use devices or artificial leverage to aid your install and there should be no worries, whether it's an easy "rock solid" install or it has a little wiggle at the belt path. :)

I hope that helps those who have been given misinformation, in either direction, at a fitting station or seat check, or who are searching for this info.
 
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LISmama810

Admin - CPS Technician
I have been thinking about this all day, and I agree.

I have always been leery of the "recline-the-seat-then-bring-it-upright" trick.

And, uh, does anyone else wonder about Sunshine Kids' non-endorsement? Is it because they think their beltpaths are indestructible, or because they love their Mighty-Tite so much? (Or both.)
 

StPaulMom

Active member
I have been thinking about this all day, and I agree.

I have always been leery of the "recline-the-seat-then-bring-it-upright" trick.

And, uh, does anyone else wonder about Sunshine Kids' non-endorsement? Is it because they think their beltpaths are indestructible, or because they love their Mighty-Tite so much? (Or both.)
Both, as I'm sure there's someone there who has "never heard of it happening before" so therefor, it must not be possible. :rolleyes:
 

rodentranger

New member
And, uh, does anyone else wonder about Sunshine Kids' non-endorsement? Is it because they think their beltpaths are indestructible, or because they love their Mighty-Tite so much? (Or both.)

My assumption is that it is likely that because the RN's beltpaths are not typical, they believe them to be stronger. Most seats have just a plastic edge the belt is going over, but the RN's are going over a more boxy edge...a more two dimensional edge if you will. (Not to mention we all know that SKJP believes that they have the most bestest best seat evAR!)
But the Mighty Tite is an excellent question!
 

Maedze

New member
:sick: I sooo did not need that visual LOL!

What do you think an enclosed rear-facing belt path is for? :shrug-shoulders:

While I am glad they clarified that seats CAN be overtightened, I wish they would also emphasize that this does not mean that it is BENEFICIAL to have the 1" of wiggle room.

That is the primary source of misinformation that I see. In no way does it benefit the rider to have 1" of wiggle room over a firm fit, assuming there is no over tightening of course.
 

ketchupqueen

CPST and ketchup snob
Staff member
Right. I'm going to stick with my "if you can easily get less than 1" of movement, it's fine." You do not NEED to have 1" of movement. That OR LESS is acceptable.

They take questions and such. I think if you wrote up a good response "question" about "so does that mean you HAVE to have one inch of movement" maybe they'd include it in a future month's follow-up.
 

mykidsmylife

Well-known member
I am weary of the recline the seat and bring it up trick, but most of the car seats I install FF on my rear-bench need this trick to get an acceptable install.
I fail to see how it can damage the seatbelt when the seat isn't needing to be forced back upright.
 

ketchupqueen

CPST and ketchup snob
Staff member
I think that trick was developed to be used when you CAN'T get an acceptable install otherwise. If that's the case, use it. What they're saying is that you shouldn't take an install that already has less than 1" of movement, and THEN use that trick to make it tighter for no good reason.
 

urchin_grey

New member
Is my foot artificial leverage? :whistle: I don't "over tighten" because I think its safer though, I do it because it keeps my seat from reclining over time.

I'm referring to our Radian though, so I guess the point is moot? :p (Kidding, of course.)
 

ketchupqueen

CPST and ketchup snob
Staff member
No, I consider any part of your body (or in some cases, when dealing with Radians, 2 bodies) fair game for leverage. Using the recline of the vehicle seat or other mechanical aids though, not so much fair game.
 

BookMama

Senior Community Member
I'm glad to see this clarification so that I can tell parents - with confidence - that it is possible to over-tighten their seats. I had a mom come to a seat check a couple months ago with a Summit that was installed so tight that it literally took me five minutes to loosen the LATCH strap enough to unhook the lower anchors. (And let's just say that I have more than enough bulk to compress the vehicle seats, which usually provides enough slack for me to loosen the LATCH belt.) I was rather shocked. In fact, I normally would have asked the mom to uninstall the seat so that she could see the problem, but she was about 9.5 months pregnant :p so it was all me.
 

babyherder

Well-known member
I used to kneel in my Chase (one knee) and then tighten the belt. When I was done if I tried to move the chase with one hand the whole car moved. It wasn't exactly easy to tighten the belt but it wasn't extremely hard either. When was I supposed to stop?
 

ketchupqueen

CPST and ketchup snob
Staff member
If you put pressure in the seat, tightened the belt with your hand, and got less than 1" movement at the belt path, that was fine. In some cars, you WILL get a "rock solid" install easily. That's not overtightening and that's not going to harm the vehicle or the seat. It's when you go to extraordinary measures to get it so tight that it takes super-human force that there's a problem.
 

babyherder

Well-known member
Well I used both hands to tighten. But, I'm only human...Besides it was fun to be able to move my whole car with just one hand and without touching the actual car.
 

joolsplus3

Admin - CPS Technician
I'm still not afraid of reclining/installing/uprighting the seat :cool: I can see where a very strong man doing that to fix a crummy install might cause a problem, so it's easier to make it one of those black and white rules (Never wash the harness! Replace after any crash! No aftermarket products!) that's easier to give to the public than trying to describe the finer nuances of why there are such rules in the first place.

Darn it all, why can't we all have seats with rigid LATCH and no weight limits and not have to worry about it? :mad:
 

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