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    Highest HEIGHT limit for 5-point restraint?

    Need a new seat, looking to keep her in a 5-point as long as possible. She's in a SafeGuard Child Seat now, but it broke. She's 52.5 inches tall with a long torso. She has a little bit more room in the SafeGuard seat, but I don't know the strap height to compare it to other seats.
    I'm not up on the latest models or which ones have higher limits, so any help is appreciated.

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    Re: Highest HEIGHT limit for 5-point restraint?

    The frontier 85 has the highest harness of any current seat. The top harness position is 19.5", according to the measurements on this site, and the Safeguard seat is 19".

    Incidentally, and you may know this already, but at 7.5, most children will be very safe in a highback booster. There is no evidence that a 5 point harness is any safer than a properly used booster for children at least 4 years old & 40 pounds. While many kids aren't ready to use a booster properly at 4 years old, most 7.5 year olds are ready.

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    Re: Highest HEIGHT limit for 5-point restraint?

    Thank you - I do understand the readiness factor. She also has low muscle tone and joint laxity (very loose jointed with little muscle mass). I also know that the mechanism of injury in different crashes can vary. If all crahes were only frontal ones, I might think differently. But most involve some degree of side impact or force (rollovers after frontal crashes), and IMO it's still safer to be in a 5-point restraint. I keep hoping for active head restraints to show in child restraints, that would be even better. But in the meantime this is the lesser evil in terms of risk IMO.
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    Re: Highest HEIGHT limit for 5-point restraint?

    Sounds like your dd is one who can definitely benefit from being harnessed. She is lucky to have a mom like you looking out for her.

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    Re: Highest HEIGHT limit for 5-point restraint?

    If there is a valid medical concern, and she is approaching the maximum height limit of any traditional restraint (we'd have to have a torso measurement) you may want to consult her medical team with regards to obtaining a special needs restraint. The Frontier may buy you 6 months or a year, but if there's a long-term issue there you may want to take this opportunity to address it for the long-term.

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    Re: Highest HEIGHT limit for 5-point restraint?

    Hmmm...I wonder if the new Britax convertibles have what could be called an Active Head Restraint? http://www.youtube.com/user/BritaxUS.../0/n_-fncKg8cQ

    Anyway, I think you'll like the Frontier 85, it's very tall and comfy, my kids fit harnessed it (or would have, if we'd owned one, lol) till about age 9, and is an excellent, supportive booster that can be left LATCHed in and fits kids up to 12 or older (5'5" is the top listed height for booster mode).
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    Re: Highest HEIGHT limit for 5-point restraint?

    Oh, good idea, Nicole, there's really a lot of very tall special needs restraints that might last a lot longer
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    Re: Highest HEIGHT limit for 5-point restraint?

    How much harnessing room did/does she have in the safeguard child seat? Is brother okay to go booster, and for your dd to use his child seat? If she has a strap slot left in the safeguard, then there may be many options for a traditional harness for her.
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    Re: Highest HEIGHT limit for 5-point restraint?

    Christine -- I'm pretty much here for the same reason! My soon-to-be 8 yo is at the max height on the Radian XT & I'm looking for another 5pt system (though I doubt it'll be another car seat) for him. We were in a serious car accident more than a year ago (from which I am still hurt) & he's not at all interested in vacating his saftey seat for a booster. Not after beign told in the ER that he likely wouldn't have survived the crash had (at 6-1/2) he been in a traditional booster. Can't say that I blame him & in fact tend to I agree... May we both luck out with a soultion!

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    Re: Highest HEIGHT limit for 5-point restraint?

    Quote Originally Posted by QuassEE View Post
    If there is a valid medical concern, and she is approaching the maximum height limit of any traditional restraint (we'd have to have a torso measurement) you may want to consult her medical team with regards to obtaining a special needs restraint. The Frontier may buy you 6 months or a year, but if there's a long-term issue there you may want to take this opportunity to address it for the long-term.
    -N.
    Here laxity is moderate, and her low tone is mild. The combination makes her somewhat floppy though. I don't *think* she needs a special needs harness, but it's something to ask her ped and neurologist about. She is not supposed to go on rollercoasters and similar rides due to her issues, so in the car I want to give her as much protection as possible.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jennifer mom to my 7 View Post
    How much harnessing room did/does she have in the safeguard child seat? Is brother okay to go booster, and for your dd to use his child seat? If she has a strap slot left in the safeguard, then there may be many options for a traditional harness for her.
    She probably has another inch or so, but the headrest is at the top (it's not a slot system, it's an "infinite" sdjustment) Her twin brother has the exact same issues, except for slightly better joint laxity. And he's skinnier than she is weight-wise. I am planning on keeping him in the SafeGuard until he outgrows it and then we'll put him in a booster. My youngest is still RF, he's 3.5 in a Radian XTSL because I figured by the time I turn him around the SafeGuards will be expired (or broken at this rate, we bought 3 and so far 2 have broken).

    Thank you for the confirmation that the seat *should* work for her
    Christine
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    Re: Highest HEIGHT limit for 5-point restraint?

    Quote Originally Posted by joolsplus3 View Post
    Hmmm...I wonder if the new Britax convertibles have what could be called an Active Head Restraint? http://www.youtube.com/user/BritaxUS.../0/n_-fncKg8cQ

    Anyway, I think you'll like the Frontier 85, it's very tall and comfy, my kids fit harnessed it (or would have, if we'd owned one, lol) till about age 9, and is an excellent, supportive booster that can be left LATCHed in and fits kids up to 12 or older (5'5" is the top listed height for booster mode).
    This is another reason i'm interested in it, but the height is the overriding factor.
    Christine
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    Patrick, 4.5, in RF Radian XT SL

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    Re: Highest HEIGHT limit for 5-point restraint?

    Okay, if you are looking for a traditional seat for now, then you need to look at the frontier 85. It will harness longer than the safeguard child seat, but I am not sure it will have the support you think they might need. This is why a special needs seat has been suggested. Then again, if they are okay as long as they are harnessed, the frontier 85 will be the highest harnessed seat available.
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