DD3 wants this princess seat

icnee · Aug 1, 2010

DD3 wants this princess seat - called Dorel

She says this when iI was looking around and really wants it kinds like it my self.

I am wondering though is the rfing hieght 40" or to th top of the shell.

She is 37" or 38" but she has 4" above her head.

http://www.walmart.com/ip/Safety-1st-Complete-Air-Convertible-Car-Seat-Raspberry-Rose/14034797

carseatcoach · Aug 1, 2010

Dorel sticks to the 40" or top of the shell, whichever comes first (although it's pretty obvious which will come first!). Many parents and techs are comfortable disregarding this rule. You'll have to decide whether you are.

ketchupqueen · Aug 1, 2010

Of course, Dorel sticks blindly to a lot of other things-- they also insist all their seats need to be at a full 45 degrees rear-facing, even though they've been used more upright by thousands of parents for years (my Instructor even used a Dorel seat to demonstrate the difference between a 30 and 45 degree angle to our class, lol.)

glockchick · Aug 1, 2010

Why are people ok with disregarding this rule? I'd be afraid that a taller child, with a higher center or gravity may cause the seat to over rotate. Is this not a concern?

I really have no basis for my opinion other than just that thought so I'm open to hearing reasons for people's opinions.

Mae · Aug 1, 2010

ShannaLeah said:
Why are people ok with disregarding this rule? I'd be afraid that a taller child, with a higher center or gravity may cause the seat to over rotate. Is this not a concern?

I really have no basis for my opinion other than just that thought so I'm open to hearing reasons for people's opinions.

Because in my personal opinion, the 40 inches can be spread out through the different build of children. Some kids may have longer torsos and shorter legs, while other kids may have shorter torsos and longer legs. They're both the same overall height, just built differently. As long as they fit and are not over the weight limit, I have no problem ignoring stated height limits. Height limits are put on car seats and put into the manuals because the manufacturer is required to post it.

jjordan · Aug 1, 2010

ketchupqueen said:
Of course, Dorel sticks blindly to a lot of other things-- they also insist all their seats need to be at a full 45 degrees rear-facing, even though they've been used more upright by thousands of parents for years (my Instructor even used a Dorel seat to demonstrate the difference between a 30 and 45 degree angle to our class, lol.)

Sorry for the bunny trail, but since it was brought up, I've never fully understood why people seem to think it's fine to disregard their recline angle rule either. Isn't it confusing for parents if CPST's pick and choose when to follow the manufacturer's recommendations and when to disregard them?

icnee · Aug 1, 2010

jjordan said:
Sorry for the bunny trail, but since it was brought up, I've never fully understood why people seem to think it's fine to disregard their recline angle rule either. Isn't it confusing for parents if CPST's pick and choose when to follow the manufacturer's recommendations and when to disregard them?

I have thought about this too does any one els have any thoughts on it.

Mae · Aug 1, 2010

It's been shown that the more upright a child can go, the safer they are. The 45* requirement is simply for newborns who don't have adequate head control, which makes their big heads flop forward and cut off their air supply.

It's always up to the parent whether or not to disregard things like this, but I'm ok with disregarding stated height limits and Dorel's rule regarding that CR's must be installed at 45*.

jjordan · Aug 1, 2010

So if you (general you, not directed at any one person) are okay with disregarding Dorel's 45* rule, are you also okay with putting a truefit more upright than 35*? Or a Britax more upright than 30*? Is there a reason to respect First Years or Britax's upper recline angle limit and not Dorel's?

Moreover if more upright = safer, then why even bother with an minimum recline angle, period?

ETA - hope this doesn't come across as combative, I'm really just curious!

featherhead · Aug 1, 2010

jjordan said:
So if you (general you, not directed at any one person) are okay with disregarding Dorel's 45* rule, are you also okay with putting a truefit more upright than 35*? Or a Britax more upright than 30*? Is there a reason to respect First Years or Britax's upper recline angle limit and not Dorel's?

Moreover if more upright = safer, then why even bother with an minimum recline angle, period?

ETA - hope this doesn't come across as combative, I'm really just curious!

Good questions, and I'd like to know the answers as well. I know in the Radian manuals there is no minimum recline. It says 45 degrees or greater (measured from horizontal).

icnee · Aug 1, 2010

jjordan said:
So if you (general you, not directed at any one person) are okay with disregarding Dorel's 45* rule, are you also okay with putting a truefit more upright than 35*? Or a Britax more upright than 30*? Is there a reason to respect First Years or Britax's upper recline angle limit and not Dorel's?

Moreover if more upright = safer, then why even bother with an minimum recline angle, period?

ETA - hope this doesn't come across as combative, I'm really just curious!

I would like to know too.

icnee · Aug 1, 2010

featherhead said:
Good questions, and I'd like to know the answers as well. I know in the Radian manuals there is no minimum recline. It says 45 degrees or greater (measured from horizontal).

I dont understand what that means with the RN I have been confused on it since I bought one.

featherhead · Aug 1, 2010

icnee said:
I dont understand what that means with the RN I have been confused on it since I bought one.

It's because the Radian is the only seat that I know of that measures the angle from horizontal instead of vertical. If they measured from vertical instead they would say 45 degrees or less for an angle.

icnee · Aug 1, 2010

featherhead said:
It's because the Radian is the only seat that I know of that measures the angle from horizontal instead of vertical. If they measured from vertical instead they would say 45 degrees or less for an angle.

So the what we normally do is as far as we go right.

jjordan · Aug 1, 2010

icnee said:
I dont understand what that means with the RN I have been confused on it since I bought one.

It just means anything 45* or more upright is fine. Mine is at (approximately

) 27*.

featherhead · Aug 1, 2010

icnee said:
So the that we normally do is as far as we go right.

45 degrees would be the most reclined you can make it, and according to the Radian manual, you can make it as upright as you want.

icnee · Aug 1, 2010

jjordan said:
It just means anything 45* or more upright is fine. Mine is at (approximately ) 27*.

Wow i wish mine would do that. I love my seat just not in my van my seats have become very compressed and dont pop all the way back any more.

ketchupqueen · Aug 2, 2010

From what I understand the minimum recline angle is because of rebound. There needs to be enough ride-down time to not slam the kid straight back into the seat before that energy has been dispelled a little.

I don't tell parents to disregard a rule without thinking; I explain to them what the manual says, what the facts are about what we understand about crash dynamics and why the manual's rule doesn't really make sense as an absolute to me, and let them make an informed choice (referring them to resources if they want to do their own research.)

glockchick · Aug 2, 2010

Thanks everyone. That all makes sense. :thumbsup:

Pixels · Aug 2, 2010

featherhead said:
Good questions, and I'd like to know the answers as well. I know in the Radian manuals there is no minimum recline. It says 45 degrees or greater (measured from horizontal).

The US Radian manuals do say 30-45.

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