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    J Unbuckling Chest Clip

    This kid is too smart. He is sneeky. He is quiet as a mouse.
    Putting scratchy velcro on the chest clip just ain't gonna cut it.
    We have tried discipline techniques. He just doesn't give a rats ass.

    He does it when he thinks his harness is too tight.
    He does it when we arrive somewhere that he thinks he should be getting out.
    He does it in drive-through lines.
    He does it when he's angry at us for an unrelated-to-carseat reason.
    He does it just because.

    Even with the harness as tight as I could ever put it on him, when the clip is un-done, he can sneak his arms out. He hasn't done this too often, but I fear that it will be increasing as well.

    I need creativity here.
    I don't think I can safely attach a mirror in the backseat because I don't have real headrests. I feel he is safer RFing with an un-done clip than FFing with a done-up clip.
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    Re: J Unbuckling Chest Clip

    Quote Originally Posted by Jonah Baby View Post
    I feel he is safer RFing with an un-done clip than FFing with a done-up clip.
    If he's not taking his arms out of the harness, I would tend to agree with you. I'm not a tech, though. If he makes a habit out of taking his arms out, I think I'd turn him and crack hard on the discipline until the phase has passed.

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    Re: J Unbuckling Chest Clip

    I'd think he'd be safer rear-facing with an undone chest clip. Because what's to stop him from sneaking out of the harness forward facing? It only takes a split second for you to crash and you can't be watching him every single second. I'd think that, if he's sneaking out of the harness rear-facing, he'd do it forward facing too, only if you get into a crash with him rear-facing, he's at least partially contained (between seat back and carseat) and the carseat itself will help absorb impact. I'd think if he was forward facing, he'd just be thrown right out of the seat!

    Not a tech, though, but that's my thought process.

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    Re: J Unbuckling Chest Clip

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiggles View Post
    I'd think he'd be safer rear-facing with an undone chest clip. Because what's to stop him from sneaking out of the harness forward facing? It only takes a split second for you to crash and you can't be watching him every single second. I'd think that, if he's sneaking out of the harness rear-facing, he'd do it forward facing too, only if you get into a crash with him rear-facing, he's at least partially contained (between seat back and carseat) and the carseat itself will help absorb impact. I'd think if he was forward facing, he'd just be thrown right out of the seat!

    Not a tech, though, but that's my thought process.
    My thoughts... Not a tech, tho.


    And get back to sewing?
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    Re: J Unbuckling Chest Clip

    Sew his sleeves to the slides of the seat cover? He could get out of his shirt but he'll have to figure out this extra step so it should slow him down a little

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    Re: J Unbuckling Chest Clip

    Put him in a light weight long sleeved button up. Secure his harness as usual, but button his shirt up OVER the harness rather than under it.

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    Re: J Unbuckling Chest Clip

    Quote Originally Posted by Maedze View Post
    Put him in a light weight long sleeved button up. Secure his harness as usual, but button his shirt up OVER the harness rather than under it.
    He knows how to button shirts, so un-buttoning is no issue.
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    Re: J Unbuckling Chest Clip

    Hot dang, my 5 year old can't manage buttons. Little snot!

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    Re: J Unbuckling Chest Clip

    Quote Originally Posted by Jonah Baby View Post
    He knows how to button shirts, so un-buttoning is no issue.
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    Re: J Unbuckling Chest Clip

    Get a women's shirt with the loop and pearl style buttons. Even I have a hard time undoing those.
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    Re: J Unbuckling Chest Clip

    Quote Originally Posted by BookMama View Post
    Snaps?
    Oh yea, snaps are no trouble for him.

    This is the kid that can scale then descend on the opposite side of 6' chain link fences butt naked in under 15 seconds.
    Sometimes we have to leash him in parking lots. If you blink, he'll be inside someone elses car.
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    Re: J Unbuckling Chest Clip

    Did you steal my kid and rename him?

    Jackson has been loosening his while I'm driving "Its too tight Mama!" as he leans forward and gets an extra 15inches of slack in the harness

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    Re: J Unbuckling Chest Clip

    I feel your pain. Out of four kids, I had one escape artist, I kept tightening the straps. It was SCARY how much I could tighten them and she could still wriggle out. I just kept on tightening until she got fed up with the power struggle. I kept thinking she was going to have marks on her from the tight straps lol

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    Re: J Unbuckling Chest Clip

    Out of curiosity, would it at all be unsafe to have a big jacket or shirt that she put on backwards and zipped/ buttoned behind the seat?? (Straight jacket, but he can move his arms...)
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    Re: J Unbuckling Chest Clip

    Quote Originally Posted by lil.miss32 View Post
    Out of curiosity, would it at all be unsafe to have a big jacket or shirt that she put on backwards and zipped/ buttoned behind the seat?? (Straight jacket, but he can move his arms...)
    Not unsafe, as long as it's not puffy-big. Just incredibly difficult to actually accomplish. The only way I think it could work is loosen the harness, buckle crotch strap and chest clip, put shirt on backwards and button/zip with child leaning forward, then tighten harness. Not a feat that I'd like to attempt without a cooperative child.

    Oh wait, I just re-read. Did you mean behind the child inside the seat, or behind the whole carseat? I don't think you could do behind the whole carseat at all, because you wouldn't be able to get the seat installed.
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    Re: J Unbuckling Chest Clip

    Quote Originally Posted by Pixels View Post
    Not unsafe, as long as it's not puffy-big. Just incredibly difficult to actually accomplish. The only way I think it could work is loosen the harness, buckle crotch strap and chest clip, put shirt on backwards and button/zip with child leaning forward, then tighten harness. Not a feat that I'd like to attempt without a cooperative child.

    Oh wait, I just re-read. Did you mean behind the child inside the seat, or behind the whole carseat? I don't think you could do behind the whole carseat at all, because you wouldn't be able to get the seat installed.
    This seat is RFing, so getting the coat around is no issue...but getting a coat that big and not sweltering hot might be.
    We have some button-up summer shirts. Maybe I'll try that.
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    Re: J Unbuckling Chest Clip

    Quote Originally Posted by Jonah Baby View Post
    This seat is RFing, so getting the coat around is no issue...but getting a coat that big and not sweltering hot might be.
    We have some button-up summer shirts. Maybe I'll try that.
    Glad you understood what I meant.

    I did mean RFing, and even something like an XXL might work? (We have a Radian, so I'm not sure what size shirt you'd need for your seat. LOL.)
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