xursusmaritimusx
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now im completely paranoid after watching those videos
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Am I correct that there is no data on RFing convertible seats?
I mean, on some of the radian FF tests, I can actually look through the space in between the harness and the "child".
Do you mean on the abdomen?
My thought is that a human child has more "squish" than a crash dummy. And even on the one I'm looking at where I can see space between the harness and the abdomen the harness looks tightened properly.
The harnesses are pulled through the back of the seat. Now remember these are at really high speeds, 56.4km/h to a dead stop. From what I understand is that MOST crashes are slower when its dead on....as you tend to apply the breaks. That being said its still kinda freaky.
That's also my issue, DS is LOVING his new Fido (blues clues) cover for the MA....and would be VERY upset to have to give it up.
Also, the dummy in the FFing MA is 3 pounds over the weight limit. And we have NO idea what kind of structual difference there is between the 48# MAs and the 65# MA...or if there is any.
What I'd like to see is the same tests done with the 65# MA....if they fail then with a 51# dummy, THEN I'll be freaking out.
Yeah, on the abdomen.
You could be right about the squishiness, IDK. If the harnesses are tight, then it just seems like there is a lot of stretch to the harness in some of the videos. I mean, in some, there isn't much harness behind the kid when they fly forward, and in others there is a ton. Would there be different harness stretch just due to the car it is installed in?
and BTW, those marathon failures are really scary. I mean, they didn't just fail a little, the one in the caravan it looked like it really shattered. And it was more than one car tested, it was 3!!!
I admit I didn't watch all the vids, so were there other seats that failed the way the marathon did? Man, hard to believe that happened, but it is really scary.
Glad I didn't buy that marathon last night, I'll have to keep thinking about it. Even on sale, it's a hard sell for me right now...
I'm not sure. Like others I would have liked to see more rear-facing convertibles and rear-facing convertibles that were tethered.
The regent in the caravan next to the turbo booster is pretty interesting. It has been said that after the age of 6 a booster is just as safe as a harness but it sure isn't from that crash test video. Would the results be similar with a booster more substantial that the turbo? Possibly, but we don't know.
I do find it annoying that they tested the regent with the 10 year old dummy with latch when the instructions say you have to use the seat belt after 48 lbs. What is the point of testing the seat in a way that is against the manual? On the plus side the tether anchors held, which is great since some folks might not read the manual and use it with latch past 48 lbs.
I am worried about the results of the latched boosters since I have and was planning to buy more boosters that latched. On the other hand unless I missed it I don't see a side impact crash for the olli or otto. It has been said that latching a booster improves the performance in a side impact crash but of course it isn't possible to predict what kind of crash you are going to be in when you leave the house. I was quite impressed with the 6 year dummy in the ollie, maybe I'll use the latch until age 8 and then use without the latch after.
Okay after looking at the videos of the monarch I really think the monterey would be fine. The monarch is so similar to the monterey and the monarch doesn't move all that much from the bight of the seat. With the latch not getting totally tight I would not be worried about the lap belt going high on the monterey when latched.
if I was using a ff'ing MA, I admit that I would likely quit using it.
if I was using a ff'ing MA, I admit that I would likely quit using it.
In between cooking Thanksgiving dinner, but honestly, I would avoid the specific combination of ff MA in the Civic and Caravan because of the videos. But I am not sure worry about it in other vehicles. The ff MA did just fine in other vehicles and I hesitate to make an guessing in regard to other Honda or Dodge vehicles or Britax seats.
I personally would make a more concerted effort to increase head-excursion room for a ff child (my 2 in boosters) and rf tethered my MA and RN XT (for the 2 yr old), especially the XT in my sedan with less height room.
Professionally, I will have to take more time to think and write... Back to the kitchen to work on the stuffing
I would avoid the specific combination of ff MA in the Civic and Caravan because of the videos. But I am not sure worry about it in other vehicles. The ff MA did just fine in other vehicles and I hesitate to make an guessing in regard to other Honda or Dodge vehicles or Britax seats.QUOTE]
While I agree with you, I guess I would only feel reassured about those vehicles that were tested and didn't show a seat failure. B/c for all other cars that were not tested, the question would still be in my mind, does the MA react in this car like in the caravan, or in the [insert name of car that showed the seat reaciting like it should].
I know there is no hard evidence to distrust all MA seats, but again, it raises a thread of doubt in my mind that if it can fail in 3 randomly selected vehicles, how many more might it also fail in? *shudders at the thought*
But if it were my child, I would definitely not use a FF MA in any of those cars that showed the failure, and I would have doubts in any car not tested b/c it is a scary unknown possibility.
Man, I am not happy seeing this. Now I'm just confused! Why didn't they have the MA tethered in the RFing tests? And I don't like that they didn't show other RFing seats like RN, MR, and the TF more upright. So how do I know if other convertibles would be safer RFing than the MA?
DD is currently in a KF (with several inches above her head). My plan is to move her to the MA next, but she's still below the lowest strap, so it will probably be a few more months before I can do that.
But now I don't know what to do for DS2. I was going to move him to a Frontier once DD needs the MA. Should I be concerned about this decision? He's about 31-32 lbs.
I just don't know now if I should let these videos freak me out. It seems like all the seats looked horrible in the videos - but they were high-speed crashes, right? So yeah, isn't it expected that the results of a crash like that are going to be bad?
now im completely paranoid after watching those videos
I only own one seat, the SS1 and I already used it with the handle up but the videos might influence how soon I move him and what into. He has a few inches above his head (I need to actually measure though, but for sure is under the 1" mark) and is under the weight and height limits but I'm thinking I may get him his convertible seat before it starts snowing now and the roads get bad, verus waiting till after the new year for tax returns.
His new seat will definitly at this point be a TFP or a RNXTSL. I'm just trying to figure out what one... I can't get my hands on a TFP to try it out in my car or with DS and I'm afraid that the XTSL will be too close to the seats in my impala... ugh...
I'm sure it's hard to tell, but I really think some of the harnesses look loose prior to the crash. I mean, on some of the radian FF tests, I can actually look through the space in between the harness and the "child". That would make a huge difference in the way the crash looks on these tests. And on those videos, I do think the head excursion looks greater due to the (possibly) loose harnesses. Anyone else see that on the radian vids?
The way I tighten my kids harnesses, you would NEVER be able to see between them and their harness. There is no space there.
But other than those few videos with the harness issues, I like the way the radian seat looks in a crash. It doesn't move very much in relation to the seat of the car, and some other seats really fly around a lot in relation to the seat of the car. Plus add to that it's low profile overall, and you've got several more inches b/w kiddos head and seat in front.
Yeah, on the abdomen.
You could be right about the squishiness, IDK. If the harnesses are tight, then it just seems like there is a lot of stretch to the harness in some of the videos. I mean, in some, there isn't much harness behind the kid when they fly forward, and in others there is a ton. Would there be different harness stretch just due to the car it is installed in?
and BTW, those marathon failures are really scary. I mean, they didn't just fail a little, the one in the caravan it looked like it really shattered. And it was more than one car tested, it was 3!!!
I admit I didn't watch all the vids, so were there other seats that failed the way the marathon did? Man, hard to believe that happened, but it is really scary.
Glad I didn't buy that marathon last night, I'll have to keep thinking about it. Even on sale, it's a hard sell for me right now...
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