Foonf, take #2

Adorkable

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Yes they have said it in the past. I guess I was just asking for confirmation that this didn't change in version two since otherwise things did.
 
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Vera@Combi

CPST Instructor
Hi Everyone: Sorry for the delayed response... Thank you Judi for the correct answer! Yes the fabric is removable from the bottom cushion and the torso. The head rest is removable but the fabric on the headrest cannot be removed & replaced.

We will have a retrofit kit available if you would like a new color or pattern that includes a new headrest + the torso and bottom cushion covers. We are confident that cleaning will be a breeze! Please be sure to order any fabric other than Drift. Drift is the only fabric that is NOT a Crypton Superfabric.

The Crypton Superfabrics are NOT used by vehicle manufacturers. The fabrics are used by hospitals as mattress covers to prevent disease transmission by being completely moisture resistant, anti-bacterial and stain resistant.

I will post some very, very exciting updates to Foonf as soon as we are ready to release the info! It will be within the next week or two... We appreciate your patience! You will see it here FIRST!

~Vera at Clek
 

Adorkable

New member
thanks for the confirmation, i was pretty sure, but as a mom who cleaned up puke 3 times this week, i was nervous at the mere thought!

im seriously thinking of buying the drift and putting the saved 25 bucks towards a retrofit kit, that way i could get the great solid colors and the black base, i still beg of you guys to offer this combo!!!! i really think folks would really be excited about it.
I'm also thinking that i will sew i very custom fitted headrest cover, maybe with each my kids names embroidered in it. this will keep the head rest extra clean since i cant fully wash it and also let me have matching plastic with whatever front color i end up with if i really swap them out. figure nobody can claim that a headrest cover will hurt any safety feature. (well i'm sure someone will claim something but i feel ok no paying attention that kind of person)

i am very excited to get my two foonfs!




do you have any timeline idea for the retrofit kits coming out? do you intent to bring them out fast or happen to know that it is a next summer type thing?
 

BrookysMommy

New member
Adorkable said:
thanks for the confirmation, i was pretty sure, but as a mom who cleaned up puke 3 times this week, i was nervous at the mere thought!

im seriously thinking of buying the drift and putting the saved 25 bucks towards a retrofit kit, that way i could get the great solid colors and the black base, i still beg of you guys to offer this combo!!!! i really think folks would really be excited about it.
I'm also thinking that i will sew i very custom fitted headrest cover, maybe with each my kids names embroidered in it. this will keep the head rest extra clean since i cant fully wash it and also let me have matching plastic with whatever front color i end up with if i really swap them out. figure nobody can claim that a headrest cover will hurt any safety feature. (well i'm sure someone will claim something but i feel ok no paying attention that kind of person)

i am very excited to get my two foonfs!

do you have any timeline idea for the retrofit kits coming out? do you intent to bring them out fast or happen to know that it is a next summer type thing?

Not trying to cause a problem, but why would you spend 500 bucks on a new carseat to add something that is an aftermarket product which is not a good thing? Im just confused
 

Adorkable

New member
Are you joking? I'm on camera somewhere aren't I? I did say someone would find a way to have a problem, just didn't think it would be so fast!

First of all it is because I'm spending nearly $1000 dollars (on 2) that I will cover the headrests! My kids puke as I have mentioned clearly, and headrests get grabbed all the time by both parent and kid, the are bound to be dirty. Since they can't be put in the wash, a custom pillow case as it were is the next best answer. A waterproof one (vomit proof) all the better.
Second of all, no one in their right mind is going to tell me that I pillowcase thin cover, properly sewn on the HEADREST of a carseat, no where near the mechanisms of the seat or harness, will hinder the safety of it in any way what so ever. If you are claiming that, you need to think it thru. There is safety and there is brainwashed paranoia, I hope you misunderstood what my plans were or I misunderstood your reply.
 

trippsmom

CPST Instructor
Adorkable, we are all going to say it is against the rules, because it is. I don't know a tech who is going to say it is ever ok to alter a seat in ANY way. We will say, though, that it is your choice to make an informed parental decision.

Just my two cents. None of us are after anyone. You seem very defensive and there is no reason for it. You knew what was going to be said. That last statement about a camera was completely uncalled for and absolutely ridiculous.

ETA: even some of us make, or have made informed parental decisions. Doesn't mean we aren't going to state the rules.
 

LISmama810

Admin - CPS Technician
Adorkable said:
Are you joking? I'm on camera somewhere aren't I? I did say someone would find a way to have a problem, just didn't think it would be so fast!

First of all it is because I'm spending nearly $1000 dollars (on 2) that I will cover the headrests! My kids puke as I have mentioned clearly, and headrests get grabbed all the time by both parent and kid, the are bound to be dirty. Since they can't be put in the wash, a custom pillow case as it were is the next best answer. A waterproof one (vomit proof) all the better.
Second of all, no one in their right mind is going to tell me that I pillowcase thin cover, properly sewn on the HEADREST of a carseat, no where near the mechanisms of the seat or harness, will hinder the safety of it in any way what so ever. If you are claiming that, you need to think it thru. There is safety and there is brainwashed paranoia, I hope you misunderstood what my plans were or I misunderstood your reply.

Your comments here and from a few days ago are coming off as extremely confrontational. You already started a thread (in a rather hostile way) asking about aftermarket covers, and have already received some replies. If you're looking for a fight, I'm sure you'll find one, although most people are just looking to help. I would suggest toning it down a little if you don't want the hostility to come back at you.
 

BrookysMommy

New member
Adorkable said:
Are you joking? I'm on camera somewhere aren't I? I did say someone would find a way to have a problem, just didn't think it would be so fast!

First of all it is because I'm spending nearly $1000 dollars (on 2) that I will cover the headrests! My kids puke as I have mentioned clearly, and headrests get grabbed all the time by both parent and kid, the are bound to be dirty. Since they can't be put in the wash, a custom pillow case as it were is the next best answer. A waterproof one (vomit proof) all the better.
Second of all, no one in their right mind is going to tell me that I pillowcase thin cover, properly sewn on the HEADREST of a carseat, no where near the mechanisms of the seat or harness, will hinder the safety of it in any way what so ever. If you are claiming that, you need to think it thru. There is safety and there is brainwashed paranoia, I hope you misunderstood what my plans were or I misunderstood your reply.

Since you appear to want a reason and safety isnt enough, heres one.

What if something happens and your seat isnt preforming properly. You want a refund or a replacement. The company is going to say "oh you added something not approved? Good luck were not paying for anything." Is that a good reason?
 

Adorkable

New member
I think if your kids puke all the time it would be more than worth it to spend an extra $25 on the crypton fabric :confused:
oh like i said i fully intend to buy the crypton fabric, i just prefer it on a black base so since i was thinking i would retrofit to the color of crypton fabric i want, i should buy the cheapest seat that has the frame color i want since the cover would be taken off right away anyway., that would be the black based drift and then pay for the upgrade retrofit to the pink and blue crypton fabric. yeah i very much agree that the crypton fabric is a hugh selling point to the whole seat. frankly i think it is silly they are making one without it to make a seat that is 25 bucks less, i doubt that anyone willing to pay 450 for a seat would do so, but not pay 475 for a better version of the same seat! as i have read about the foonf all this year, the thing i seem to here over and over again is the wish that the black was crypton.

Adorkable, we are all going to say it is against the rules, because it is. I don't know a tech who is going to say it is ever ok to alter a seat in ANY way. We will say, though, that it is your choice to make an informed parental decision.

Just my two cents. None of us are after anyone. You seem very defensive and there is no reason for it. You knew what was going to be said. That last statement about a camera was completely uncalled for and absolutely ridiculous.

ETA: even some of us make, or have made informed parental decisions. Doesn't mean we aren't going to state the rules.

except i didn't ask if it was ok, and even acknowledged that i knew plain well that some folks would say it wasn't.
and she didn't state the rules, she made a judgement on my choice, even after I had just said to spare me the judgements. (i was actually joking, cause i was naive enough to think that folks would see the nitpicking silliness in the "unlawfulness" of what i was planning.)

I'm not a particularly defensive person, but i'll be honest and say that as a person coming to this site to read literally hundreds of thread end to end and learn and ask honest questions, i have seen a awful lot of judgments passed down on folks and "oh my gawd, how could they" attitude towards those that are often simply less educated or less zealous than some of the folks here.
This forum is a great learning tool and, for example, I am going to ERF completely because of what I learned reading archives here. i send folks from other parenting sites here ALL THE TIME for good reason. And I even get that folks talking in a professional capacity have to talk the party line or risk liability or credibility on some level.
but you catch more flies with honey... and flexible inviting attitudes
 

Adorkable

New member
Since you appear to want a reason and safety isnt enough, heres one.

What if something happens and your seat isnt preforming properly. You want a refund or a replacement. The company is going to say "oh you added something not approved? Good luck were not paying for anything." Is that a good reason?

so your telling me that every single person that has ever put a piddle pad on their seat, or draped a towel over it on hot day or any of the other things are all going to talk to someone and get turned away? or frankly would even bother to mention those things when talking to a company rep? im not talking about a aftermarket cover for the seat here folks, can we have a reality check?

im not meaning to be confrontational at all, and the other thread is a completely different thing and was started exactly so that i could A. Vent (i even labeled it as such)and then B. learn and see if there was something i was not thinking about and i thought the talk was going really well. i knew plain well what i was talking about in the other thread was pushing against something that in some cases is truly dangerous for our kids and not allowed with good reason.

but if anyone here is actually saying that a "pillow case" for the headrest is actually making my kids even .001% less safe, i will stand behind my assertion that they dont understand the real life physic of the situation.

yeah, i agree the lawyers don't like it because they have to draw the line at the cleanest point, no after market anything, heck am shocked they allow your kid to wear clothes! (slightly joking, but only slightly)
 

bree

Car-Seat.Org Ambassador
so your telling me that every single person that has ever put a piddle pad on their seat, or draped a towel over it on hot day or any of the other things are all going to talk to someone and get turned away? or frankly would even bother to mention those things when talking to a company rep? im not talking about a aftermarket cover for the seat here folks, can we have a reality check?

im not meaning to be confrontational at all, and the other thread is a completely different thing and was started exactly so that i could A. Vent (i even labeled it as such)and then B. learn and see if there was something i was not thinking about and i thought the talk was going really well. i knew plain well what i was talking about in the other thread was pushing against something that in some cases is truly dangerous for our kids and not allowed with good reason.

but if anyone here is actually saying that a "pillow case" for the headrest is actually making my kids even .001% less safe, i will stand behind my assertion that they dont understand the real life physic of the situation.

yeah, i agree the lawyers don't like it because they have to draw the line at the cleanest point, no after market anything, heck am shocked they allow your kid to wear clothes! (slightly joking, but only slightly)

If you do find a material thin enough and absorbent enough to work, I think you can simply avoid the issues of an aftermarket cover or aftermarket headrest cover by just placing the very thin fabric under the child's head. If you are really thinking of a material that is pillowcase thin, then it likely wouldn't be any thicker than the material that is behind a child's head when wearing a hat, but then you aren't dealing with voided warranties or anything that might interfere with the seat. Maybe it's pure laziness, in addition to wanting to avoid the whole aftermarket issue, but I wouldn't feel the need to make a headrest cover or a seat cover out of the material, though. As I pointed out in your other thread, an aftermarket cover, or your new idea of an aftermarket headrest cover, isn't going to protect the harness, which is a much bigger issue to clean. So, something like the other posters in your thread mentioned that is carseat poncho-eque with maybe, maybe something that is truly pillowcase thin under the kid's head (or just a hood that then drapes over the back of the seat like an actual carseat poncho, but isn't actually under the child's head) is easier and more protective than an aftermarket cover or aftermarket headrest cover.

I've placed a flat cloth diaper under a kid's bum before (as well as a flat disposable diaper once potty trained), and I wouldn't be concerned about something so thin interfering. I wouldn't use a piddle pad, unless made specifically by a manufacturer for the seat, because I think something so structured could interfere with the harness or crotch buckle.

Also, you might be interested to know that the crash test dummies are clothed during the car seat testing process. If you scroll down through this document, you can see some pictures as an example: http://nhthqnwws111.odi.nhtsa.dot.g...SC/2009/Test Reports/TRTR-640805-2009-001.pdf
 

atw

New member
Sorry to hear you have pukers, adorkable. I certainly don't have one yet...however, I share your wish for black/color combos. :) and crypton sounds neat, so I'd rather have it, but we prefer black too over wipe able.

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creideamh

Well-known member
I'm so confused, I thought there were patterns with black frames? The heart shades one I had pre-ordered (that I had to cancel... waaah!!) has a black frame. Or is that not really what you mean?
I imagine the retrofit cover kits are going to be REALLY expensive. Recaro charges practically half the price of a new seat for a replacement cover, and they're not replacing an entire headrest! :p Maybe Vera can give us an approximate price point?? I'm totally interested in that...

Also, like another PP said, we HAVE to state the rules. Anyone can be sued (and I can't speak for other classes, but our instructors were very clear NOT to advise parents to go against manufacturer instructions.) Are we all perfect? No. Can you do what you want? Sure. But we're still accountable for our words, even when we're behind a computer screen. It may not seem to have anything to do with safety, but we reiterate what the manufacturer says. You can do what you please with that information.

For the record, I'm not judging you. I don't really care what you do with your headrest. ;) I'm only explaining where we're coming from... not brainwashed paranoia, just backing up the manufacturer of the car seat. And when you post about doing something that goes against their directions, someone is going to jump in and add that's not allowed, even if you know it. Because the people who don't know any better, especially those reading archives (as you said), should know as well. :thumbsup:
 

SafeDad

CPSDarren - Admin
Staff member
but if anyone here is actually saying that a "pillow case" for the headrest is actually making my kids even .001% less safe, i will stand behind my assertion that they dont understand the real life physic of the situation.

There are lots of things you can do to carseats and automobiles that may not actually affect safety, but are still prohibited generally or specifically by an owner's manual. The issue is that some of these things may indeed affect safety and it's not always readily apparent which ones do or don't, as obvious as it may seem to be.

Is there a difference in draping a receiving blanket behind baby's head to avoid cleanup of the carseat cover, vs. attaching something more permanently to the carseat? That all depends on what you are attaching, how you attach it and where you attach it, of course. If a parent is comfortable making such a choice for their own child, that's their choice, of course. On the other hand, there really isn't a legitimate expectation to find approval for some of these choices on a discussion forum populated by advocates and certified technicians.

My suggestion would be to send a PM to Vera at Clek if you want to do any type of modification to a Clek product, however minor it may seem.
 

Adorkable

New member
i completely get that issues you folks are talking about, but remember, thankfully i was not looking for or asking for approval in this thread.
(in minor contrast i was asking for some brainstorming in the other thread about total aftermarket seat covers, i very much agree that is a very different level of subject)

and i also really get that lowest common denominator concept that dictates so much of life nowadays, made worse cause everyone thinks that they are not that lowest wrung, when clearly some folks are going to be wrong with that assumption.

I happen to be formally trained in Industrial Design including a fair bit of focus on Product Ergonomics and have about 25 years of pattern making and sewing under my belt, so I feel pretty good about the place I come from in my thinking. Of course they is no way for you all to know that about me.
I guess where I may have gone wrong here the most was to treat this too much like some of the forums where I post on other subjects. Forums that do work on projects together and openly brainstorm on making things or modding things. Modding is in my nature, hence the industrial design schooling.

There are instructions on a box of toothpicks for a reason, sad as that is.
 

Baylor

New member
Adorkable said:
i completely get that issues you folks are talking about, but remember, thankfully i was not looking for or asking for approval in this thread.
(in minor contrast i was asking for some brainstorming in the other thread about total aftermarket seat covers, i very much agree that is a very different level of subject)

and i also really get that lowest common denominator concept that dictates so much of life nowadays, made worse cause everyone thinks that they are not that lowest wrung, when clearly some folks are going to be wrong with that assumption.

I happen to be formally trained in Industrial Design including a fair bit of focus on Product Ergonomics and have about 25 years of pattern making and sewing under my belt, so I feel pretty good about the place I come from in my thinking. Of course they is no way for you all to know that about me.
I guess where I may have gone wrong here the most was to treat this too much like some of the forums where I post on other subjects. Forums that do work on projects together and openly brainstorm on making things or modding things. Modding is in my nature, hence the industrial design schooling.

There are instructions on a box of toothpicks for a reason, sad as that is.

I think the difference here is that there are hard and fast rules to car seat safety and making things or brainstorming in the way you are using it seems to me that you are looking for a way to break the rules and have people be okay with it.

Maybe you accept what these highly trained people and experts in THIS field are telling you about this subject.

auto correct hates me
 

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