Pictures of the Evenflo Discovery "fix" - Car Seat.Org - Carseat, Vehicle & Child Passenger Safety Forums

Judi · 03-23-2008, 01:30 PM

Just the everyone would like to see what Evenflo thinks is a proper fix.

First, here is the latch type strap that comes in the mail:

On the strap, there is a warning:

You put the hook, through the hole in the base:

Go up, and back through the other hole in the base:

I then put the car seat back on to its base. Here is a pic of the hole under the handle that you are to hook to.

And here, after hooking the non latch hook:

Here is a pic from the back with the fix now installed. Note, after hooking both hooks, you then have to cinch it down:

So, to use your very convenient carrier, simply loosen the strap, unhook from both sides, then unhook carrier from base, because of the lovely plastic hook on the bases front. Oh joy!

Starlight · 03-23-2008, 01:37 PM

So, this metal hook is hooked on to plastic? And they aren't concerned that it could potentially break the plastic in a collision? Holy crap.

Evenflo, you suck.

Patriot201 · 03-23-2008, 01:41 PM

It doesn't look like it actually even really HOOKS to the carrier! It only "half-a*%" hooks!

Judi · 03-23-2008, 01:58 PM

Yes, it really is half A$$.

mominabigtruck · 03-23-2008, 02:01 PM

Hmmm, what's the point of the base then if you have to install the carrier everytime

You might as well just not use the base at all or just use a convertible

Starlight · 03-23-2008, 02:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Judi

half A$$.

No pun intended, right?

I'm wondering how long until they recall their fix. :sigh

Judi · 03-23-2008, 02:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mominabigtruck

Hmmm, what's the point of the base then if you have to install the carrier everytime

You might as well just not use the base at all or just use a convertible

Exactly what DH said. Might as well not even use the base. I said that they should half just recalled it all together, to save face. A coworker reminded me, that they don't have any face left!

Mommy2Marcus · 03-23-2008, 02:23 PM

OMG! You're kidding me right...Oh wait..you're not! I do not see that working for them at all! I mean do they really think this is going to work? Man oh Man!

Kashi · 03-23-2008, 02:51 PM

OMG - that hook doens't actually HOOK does it ? It just kind of sits there, right ?

MomToEliEm · 03-23-2008, 02:58 PM

Wow, that is sure to lead to misuse by many parents using this seat.

I wonder if this is standard on the "new and improved" Discovery seats that are already in the stores. I cannot see too many parents going to that much trouble to get an infant into their seats. They want to snap and go, not mess with some tether thing connecting the seat to the base.

Judi · 03-23-2008, 03:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kashi

OMG - that hook doens't actually HOOK does it ? It just kind of sits there, right ?

You are totally right. I just slid it down in the hole. It is not really hooked on. Anyone else think it is weird that all these hole were all conveniently already there?

cpsaddict · 03-23-2008, 09:26 PM

I would imagine it would be pretty easy to yank that thing off the base, or at least partly, thus undoing the "hooks". I use the term hooks loosely. The Discovery must only come off the base in a crash, because I sure as heck can't get it off.

What a joke. How can they do so good with the Triumph and fail miserably at almost every thing else they make?

azgirl71 · 03-23-2008, 10:00 PM

Talk about a cheap solution. I too see people not using this "fix" because it will be too much trouble. I will teach a caregiver to use it with the fix as well as with out the base if I get one come through.

crunchierthanthou · 03-23-2008, 10:16 PM

wow. just... wow.

Mama! · 03-23-2008, 10:42 PM

And do we really believe they tested that thing with those hooks? With a 20 lb kid?

that is UNbelievable.

mommy_quigg · 03-23-2008, 11:24 PM

:O wow... Can you use the discovery without the base? I would trust that more.

Judi · 03-24-2008, 12:07 AM

Yes, it can. The Embrace can not.

Mommy2Five · 03-24-2008, 02:37 AM

What a CRAPPY "fix"

Quote:

Originally Posted by starlightCPST

Evenflo, you suck.

snowbird25ca · 03-24-2008, 02:40 AM

What I find most interesting, is aside from some problems with labelling or tags, (one is a shipment of seats that had US hang tags on CDN seats,) all of the evenflo recalls since 1997 have been on infant carriers. Maybe evenflo should go back to the drawing board on the infant carrier since that seems to be where they've had their problems that have caused safety related recalls.

I agree that fix kit looks like a huge PITA. I'm not positive if the discovery has ever been sold in Canada - anyone happen to know? If it has been, TC hasn't issued a recall on it yet... I'm figuring it's just a matter of time though if it was ever sold here. Would be quite something to recall US seats and not CDN ones...

BookMama · 03-24-2008, 06:24 AM

Oh come ON Evenflo, nobody's going to do that. How totally inadequate.

I think it would be easier to use the seat baseless, but nobody's going to do that, either.

DH and I are not planning any more kids, but if we did there no way on earth that we'd use any Evenflo infant seat (not even the non-expired, non-recalled one we already own).

lemurmommies · 03-24-2008, 09:08 AM

That's the saddest and scariest "fix" I've ever seen. So many babies are going to be in some serious danger because of that. Ugh.

BookMama · 03-24-2008, 09:40 AM

After looking at the pictures more closely, I wonder how you even COULD do that in a vehicle. You wouldn't have too much problem hooking the side closest to you, I suppose. But to do the other side, you'd have to reach ALL the way over (or under) the infant seat, grab the hook, hook it into the hole (which you can't see, because it's under the handle, and you're on the other side of it anyway), and then tighten it.

With your baby in the seat.

No way.

I think everyone who has this seat (or who has had it, and maybe still has it registered) should complain to Evenflo and demand a new seat.

I haven't been as down on Evenflo as others in the past, but this really makes me mad.

MomToEliEm · 03-24-2008, 09:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BookMama

After looking at the pictures more closely, I wonder how you even COULD do that in a vehicle. You wouldn't have too much problem hooking the side closest to you, I suppose. But to do the other side, you'd have to reach ALL the way over (or under) the infant seat, grab the hook, hook it into the hole (which you can't see, because it's under the handle, and you're on the other side of it anyway), and then tighten it.

To add to the above, a lot of people have infant seats placed right next to other carseats. There often isn't much room to grab this little hook strap and get it connected to the seat which is smushed right next to a big carseat.

I agree with BookMomma that if you have this seat, contact Discovery and complain that you want another seat. This isn't the steps you intended to do when you initially bought the seat, and it is no longer convenient using their fix. If you do call, let us know what Evenflo says to you.

azgirl71 · 03-24-2008, 09:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BookMama

After looking at the pictures more closely, I wonder how you even COULD do that in a vehicle. You wouldn't have too much problem hooking the side closest to you, I suppose. But to do the other side, you'd have to reach ALL the way over (or under) the infant seat, grab the hook, hook it into the hole (which you can't see, because it's under the handle, and you're on the other side of it anyway), and then tighten it.

With your baby in the seat.

No way.

I think everyone who has this seat (or who has had it, and maybe still has it registered) should complain to Evenflo and demand a new seat.

I haven't been as down on Evenflo as others in the past, but this really makes me mad.

I agree. It *may* be ok to do if you have 1 child and can access both sides easily. For me personally if I was going to be taking the carrier in and out I would not use the base. If I had to use the "fix" with the base I would leave the carrier in the car and carry the infant. That brings me to if I am just leaving the carrier in the car why not go get a convertible seat.

Not very smart on Evenflos part.

TechnoGranola · 03-24-2008, 11:32 AM

That's brutal!

I thought I read that NHTSA had tested Evenflo's fix and it worked? Does anyone else remember reading this?

03-23-2008, 01:30 PM	#1
Judi CPS Technician Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Dallas, Oregon Posts: 9,742 Blog Entries: 3	Pictures of the Evenflo Discovery "fix" Just the everyone would like to see what Evenflo thinks is a proper fix. First, here is the latch type strap that comes in the mail: On the strap, there is a warning: You put the hook, through the hole in the base: Go up, and back through the other hole in the base: I then put the car seat back on to its base. Here is a pic of the hole under the handle that you are to hook to. And here, after hooking the non latch hook: Here is a pic from the back with the fix now installed. Note, after hooking both hooks, you then have to cinch it down: So, to use your very convenient carrier, simply loosen the strap, unhook from both sides, then unhook carrier from base, because of the lovely plastic hook on the bases front. Oh joy! __________________ I don't go looking for car seats to buy, they find me! New month, new seats? Yep, EFTA, Probooster, True Fit Premier, Frontier 85, Go

03-23-2008, 01:37 PM	#2
Starlight CPS Technician Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Right here. Duh. Posts: 1,884	Re: Pictures of the Evenflo Discovery "fix" So, this metal hook is hooked on to plastic? And they aren't concerned that it could potentially break the plastic in a collision? Holy crap. Evenflo, you suck. __________________ Infertile... apparently, it doesn't mean what I thought it meant...

03-23-2008, 01:41 PM	#3
Patriot201 CPS Guru Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 7,014	Re: Pictures of the Evenflo Discovery "fix" It doesn't look like it actually even really HOOKS to the carrier! It only "half-a*%" hooks! __________________ Common abbreviations used (by lovinwaves)

03-23-2008, 01:58 PM	#4
Judi CPS Technician Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Dallas, Oregon Posts: 9,742 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Pictures of the Evenflo Discovery "fix" Yes, it really is half A$$. __________________ I don't go looking for car seats to buy, they find me! New month, new seats? Yep, EFTA, Probooster, True Fit Premier, Frontier 85, Go

03-23-2008, 02:01 PM	#5
mominabigtruck CPS Fanatic Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: West Central OH Posts: 2,099	Re: Pictures of the Evenflo Discovery "fix" Hmmm, what's the point of the base then if you have to install the carrier everytime You might as well just not use the base at all or just use a convertible __________________ Dallas 6/20/02 Husky, TB Peyton 12/04/05 Frontier, Symphony 65, B505 Malachi 04/03/2009 SS1, Symphony 65 Surprise EDD 10/30/10

03-23-2008, 02:23 PM	#8
Mommy2Marcus CPS Fanatic Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: South Alabama Posts: 1,926	Re: Pictures of the Evenflo Discovery "fix" OMG! You're kidding me right...Oh wait..you're not! I do not see that working for them at all! I mean do they really think this is going to work? Man oh Man! __________________ Marcus, 3 years 10 months old, 14 inch torso, 34lbs & FF in a EFTA, Generations 65 & Nautilus Elite!

03-23-2008, 02:51 PM	#9
Kashi CPS Technician Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Canada Posts: 1,692	Re: Pictures of the Evenflo Discovery "fix" OMG - that hook doens't actually HOOK does it ? It just kind of sits there, right ? __________________ La Leche League leader, CRST, and Mom to Boo (8), Bug (6), Bear (3) and Jesse watching from the clouds (07/'09) Their Stories (blog link)

03-23-2008, 02:58 PM	#10
MomToEliEm Moderator Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Northeast Texas Posts: 2,788	Re: Pictures of the Evenflo Discovery "fix" Wow, that is sure to lead to misuse by many parents using this seat. I wonder if this is standard on the "new and improved" Discovery seats that are already in the stores. I cannot see too many parents going to that much trouble to get an infant into their seats. They want to snap and go, not mess with some tether thing connecting the seat to the base.

03-23-2008, 09:26 PM	#12
cpsaddict Senior Community Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Oregon Posts: 1,667	Re: Pictures of the Evenflo Discovery "fix" I would imagine it would be pretty easy to yank that thing off the base, or at least partly, thus undoing the "hooks". I use the term hooks loosely. The Discovery must only come off the base in a crash, because I sure as heck can't get it off. What a joke. How can they do so good with the Triumph and fail miserably at almost every thing else they make? __________________ Jacky, former CPST and mama to Kenzie4/22/09 26lbs 34" TTC #2! ERF in a Diplomat, a Cowmoo Marathon and a Scenera. Waiting for the Marathon70.

03-23-2008, 10:00 PM	#13
azgirl71 CPST Instructor Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Southern Arizona Posts: 4,669 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Pictures of the Evenflo Discovery "fix" Talk about a cheap solution. I too see people not using this "fix" because it will be too much trouble. I will teach a caregiver to use it with the fix as well as with out the base if I get one come through. __________________ Lisa - CPSTI Mom to Tucker, 4 years old, 26.5 lbs, 37 inches tall who has a variety of different carseats to ride in.

03-23-2008, 10:16 PM	#14
crunchierthanthou Moderator - CPS Technician Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: nak Posts: 8,344	Re: Pictures of the Evenflo Discovery "fix" wow. just... wow.

03-23-2008, 10:42 PM	#15
Mama! CPS Fanatic Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 1,658	Re: Pictures of the Evenflo Discovery "fix" And do we really believe they tested that thing with those hooks? With a 20 lb kid? that is UNbelievable. __________________ DS 4 36 lbs~42 inches FF in BB or Cougar Regent DD 5.541.5 lbs-46 inches17"torso FF in Madison/BBouquet/Cougar Regent and pink TB or Vivo spare

03-23-2008, 11:24 PM	#16
mommy_quigg Carseat Crazy Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Toronto, Ontario Posts: 284	Re: Pictures of the Evenflo Discovery "fix" :O wow... Can you use the discovery without the base? I would trust that more. __________________ Anna, Canadian mommy to: Aaron born April 2005. 42 lbs, 42" tall. Graco Nautilus (harnessed) or SK Monterey (Gma's car). Liam born at home June 26, 2009. 22 lbs. RF in Radian Premier or AOE (Gma's car).

03-24-2008, 12:07 AM	#17
Judi CPS Technician Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Dallas, Oregon Posts: 9,742 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Pictures of the Evenflo Discovery "fix" Yes, it can. The Embrace can not. __________________ I don't go looking for car seats to buy, they find me! New month, new seats? Yep, EFTA, Probooster, True Fit Premier, Frontier 85, Go

03-24-2008, 02:40 AM	#19
snowbird25ca Moderator - CPST Instructor Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Edmonton, AB, Canada Posts: 10,041 Blog Entries: 2	Re: Pictures of the Evenflo Discovery "fix" What I find most interesting, is aside from some problems with labelling or tags, (one is a shipment of seats that had US hang tags on CDN seats,) all of the evenflo recalls since 1997 have been on infant carriers. Maybe evenflo should go back to the drawing board on the infant carrier since that seems to be where they've had their problems that have caused safety related recalls. I agree that fix kit looks like a huge PITA. I'm not positive if the discovery has ever been sold in Canada - anyone happen to know? If it has been, TC hasn't issued a recall on it yet... I'm figuring it's just a matter of time though if it was ever sold here. Would be quite something to recall US seats and not CDN ones... __________________ Trudy - Canadian CRST-I and mommy to: Jillian - 6yrs, 44lbs and 46.5" riding in a Nautilus and Monterey Jonas - 3.5yrs, 30lbs and 40" - ff'ing in an EFTA and Complete Air. Both safely riding in either a 2007 Outlook or a 2009 Astra depending on the day.

03-24-2008, 06:24 AM	#20
BookMama Moderator - CPS Technician Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Midwest Posts: 3,875	Re: Pictures of the Evenflo Discovery "fix" Oh come ON Evenflo, nobody's going to do that. How totally inadequate. I think it would be easier to use the seat baseless, but nobody's going to do that, either. DH and I are not planning any more kids, but if we did there no way on earth that we'd use any Evenflo infant seat (not even the non-expired, non-recalled one we already own). __________________ Andrea, CPST DS 4/01 - Parkway, FPSV booster, Cybex Solution X-Fix DD1 11/05 - Radians DD2 10/23/09 - Coccoro (16.5 lbs. and 27" at 9 months) Plus a plethora of "spare" seats for everyone. http://bookmama.wordpress.com

03-24-2008, 09:08 AM	#21
lemurmommies CPS Technician Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: GTA, Ontario, Canada Posts: 137	Re: Pictures of the Evenflo Discovery "fix" That's the saddest and scariest "fix" I've ever seen. So many babies are going to be in some serious danger because of that. Ugh. __________________ Mel, Canadian CRST mom to E - 3.5 years, 40 pounds and 41'' - Riding in a Graco Nautilus and missing our angel Noelle (lost at 18 weeks, 12/08.)

03-24-2008, 09:40 AM	#22
BookMama Moderator - CPS Technician Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Midwest Posts: 3,875	Re: Pictures of the Evenflo Discovery "fix" After looking at the pictures more closely, I wonder how you even COULD do that in a vehicle. You wouldn't have too much problem hooking the side closest to you, I suppose. But to do the other side, you'd have to reach ALL the way over (or under) the infant seat, grab the hook, hook it into the hole (which you can't see, because it's under the handle, and you're on the other side of it anyway), and then tighten it. With your baby in the seat. No way. I think everyone who has this seat (or who has had it, and maybe still has it registered) should complain to Evenflo and demand a new seat. I haven't been as down on Evenflo as others in the past, but this really makes me mad. __________________ Andrea, CPST DS 4/01 - Parkway, FPSV booster, Cybex Solution X-Fix DD1 11/05 - Radians DD2 10/23/09 - Coccoro (16.5 lbs. and 27" at 9 months) Plus a plethora of "spare" seats for everyone. http://bookmama.wordpress.com

03-24-2008, 11:32 AM	#25
TechnoGranola CPS Fanatic Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Canada Posts: 3,489	Re: Pictures of the Evenflo Discovery "fix" That's brutal! I thought I read that NHTSA had tested Evenflo's fix and it worked? Does anyone else remember reading this?

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