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gusmom
10-28-2008, 02:13 AM
i thought it couldn't hurt to ask here in case the techs have seen it all :D The grandparents have our Uptown in their Avalon. I don't know the exact year of the vehicle, but just before LATCH was standard so that's not an option. The seat is currently RF in the center position.

The problem we keep having is this (and despite my attempts to run to the nearest checkpoint or tech with the town, FIL is an engineer and they have been less than enthusiastic/willing): the seatbelt seems to have automatic preferred 'locking' positions when it retracts. When we get the seat tight enough and in the correct angle, it seems to be between locking points -- the seatbelt on the car will retract a tiny bit more, which pulls the seat sideways a bit. A little bit looser (even with a noodle & towel) and it is not secure. If it matters, all belts in the car are shoulder/lap belts, including the center.
Also, i have noticed on more than a few occasions (to my horror) that when DS sits in the seat, his weight sometimes causes it to recline much more than the acceptable angle (I assume in these instances, that the seat has not been installed tight enough or has loosed somewhat due to the slack issue). FIL says he "knows what the problem is" and supposedly has configured his own mechanism (which sounds a lot like the premise of locking clips - i know you're not supposed to use them with this belt style so i have not encouraged the issue) to fix it. I have never seen these & don't know whether they have actually been used consistently, but both my husband & I have told them that it really needs to be checked by a pro who would be familiar with how to adapt to the vehicle and not use homemade parts (in gentler terms of course).

since that still hasn't happened, have any of you seen a similar situation with retractable belts &/or have suggestions as to how to deal with them? When we are with them, we can try to use our car, tighten the installation as best we can, but i know they are not nearly as persistent about it when we are not so i'd REALLY like to find a solution.

Thanks in advance.

Judi
10-28-2008, 02:16 AM
Did you try pulling the shoulder belt all the way out, slowly, then letting it retract?

If that doesn't work, use a locking clip, close to the latch plate.

BookMama
10-28-2008, 07:44 AM
which sounds a lot like the premise of locking clips - i know you're not supposed to use them with this belt style so i have not encouraged the issue

Actually, one of the reasons to use a locking clip is to prevent a RF seat from tipping. I think a locking clip should do the trick in this situation, too. This web site will tell you all about how/when/why to use a locking clip: http://www.carseatsite.com/lockingclips.htm

Defrost
10-28-2008, 08:52 AM
I have a seat belt that does the same thing. I call it the "sweet spot," but it's not sweet at all when it insists on resting between two "clicks" and won't get the carseat tight enough!

It's okay to use a locking clip instead, but from your description I would not be comfortable with my child riding in this carseat until you're certain your FIL is using the locking clip correctly. The Uptown should have come with a locking clip, so there is no reason for your FIL to have "gotten creative" with his solution. ;)

tiggercat
10-28-2008, 09:19 AM
FIL is an engineer and they have been less than enthusiastic/willing):

This is your first problem :whistle: Engineers can be a bit, um, creative when it comes to carseats. (I'm married to one, LOL)

First, I think it is important that you check/fix the install before using this seat again. From what you have described, it is not an acceptable install and could compromise your child's safety. It is ok for you to stand up to them and say "Hey, this isn't safe. Get the seat checked or installed correctly, or lets switch vehicles for the day". This would also give you some free time to check/fix their install. :thumbsup: I install all of my kid's seats, in everyone's vehicle. But then, I'm not exceptionally trusting.

So, in an Avalon. The female buckle stalk might be long as typical of Toyotas, and interfering with the belt path (that could explain the overrotation when you put him in the seat). You can try twisting the female buckle stalk up to 3 full turns to get it out of the way. Also try using 3 pieces of pool noodle taped together length wise instead of the towel/noodle plus towel. It's a bit more stable and you can really compress them down to get a nice firm install. In order to avoid tilting, pull the slack out of the lap belt at the latch plate first, then lock the retractor and feed the slack back in. If you can't get it in without a tilt, it is perfectly acceptable to use a locking clip instead of the automatic locking retractor. The link bookmama gave it an excellent resource for locking clip installs.

KristiD761
10-28-2008, 10:55 AM
This is a suggestion as well...I have noticed that the seat contour in the middle of avalons, infinitis, and acuras sometimes makes it really hard to fit; it seems to "tuck in" outboard more securely.:twocents:

gusmom
10-29-2008, 08:51 PM
This is a suggestion as well...I have noticed that the seat contour in the middle of avalons, infinitis, and acuras sometimes makes it really hard to fit; it seems to "tuck in" outboard more securely.:twocents:

i know that was the case when we tried it in DH's car, but the ILs are stubborn. they want it in the middle so we can all fit in the car comfortably despite our suggestions otherwise.

i will come back to the other questions/ideas later. DS is having bedtime issues that require a mommy. LOL!