Need links for a mom...

[jen_nah]

She is trying to convince her ex to put their dd back in a 5pt in his vehicle. The little girls is 43" & 37lbs. I think mom said she was almost 5.

She needs some links to send to ex telling why 5pt harnesses are safer over boosters.

[jen_nah]

bump! Anyone?

[remken]

Would the videos for Belles gift or Toni's Legacy help?

Not really technical I know.

Hers Belles gift.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y2LFo8vVi04&mode=related&search=

and hers Tonis legacy.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G59s3PjcntQ&mode=related&search

[Paperdragon]

Here's what I use:



These videos are crash tests which show the initial impact of 20-30mph.



Rear facing:



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K62Ea8Fs4ng&mode=related&search=



Front Facing Five Point harness:



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NMFPSStXfqE&mode=related&search=



Front Facing 4 point harness (Rideryte):



http://www.safetyangel.com/products/crashTestVideo.shtml



Front facing using car’s lap/shoulder belt and a high back booster:



http://www.oeamtc.at/netautor/html_seiten/kisitest_2002/videos/test2002/frontcrash/maxicosirodi.mpg


Front facing High back vs low back booster:

http://www.which.co.uk/reports_and_campaigns/cars/reports/safety_and_security/car_safety/Child%20seats/Child_seats_esential_guide_574_74191_9.jsp





Now imagine that after the initial impact, your car/van rolls over, runs into something else or is run into another vehicle. Which position would you rather have your child be in?

[papooses]

Copy/pasted from my website ("Preschool -- Preteen (http://www.freewebs.com/sacredjourneys/preschoolpreteen.htm)" page) without the active links:
Keep kids harnessed as long as possible

Although we do not yet have comprehensive enough data to confirm how much safer it is to keep kids harnessed, it just makes sense. Afterall, it has been a standard safety measure for grown adults in the racing industry, for pilots, astronauts, etc. People can and have been killed or severely injured in crashes at just 12 MPH. If a child still fits a harness seat according to the manufacturer's recommendations, then that child should not yet switch to a booster. A booster is only safer than a harness if the harness cannot be used correctly and then only if the booster will be used correctly. (If a child no longer fits a combination seat's harness limits, then he/she must use it as a booster at least until you have a more appropriate harness)

Crash test comparisons ... frontal impact: harnessed vs. booster | side impact: harnessed vs. booster
Advantages to Extended Harnessing:

Limits head excursion (forward movement) during a crash
Spreads crash forces out over a broader area of the body at all of its strongest points
Keeps kids properly positioned much more reliably
Helps prevent backseat bickering between siblings (thus reducing driver distraction)

Remember that every "graduation" in seat type is actually a demotion in safety. If a child in a booster still finds that the shoulder belt crosses the neck/face rather than lying flat on the collar bone, then this child needs a high weight harness seat. If a child cannot or will not use a booster correctly for the entire length of every ride, then that child needs a high weight harness seat.

Videos
IS YOUR CHILD READY FOR A BOOSTER

Does your child meet the weight, height and age requirements?
Can your child remain properly positioned for the entire length of every ride, never leaning out of the shoulder belt?
Will your child leave the seatbelt properly positioned flat across the collar bone and hips/thighs?
If you're not sure about your child's maturity abilities and/or your child still fits a harness, then keep him or her in the harness.
If your child has outgrown his or her current forward-facing harness, but is not mature enough to use a booster properly, there are various alternatives listed in the following websites....
CPSafety: Options for kids over 40 pounds
Extended Harnessing Photo Album
Extended Harnessing Brochure: Page 1 + Page 2
Families In Need

Don't you want to keep your young child harnessed at least until their skeletal structure is developed? Remember: bones do not finish developing until puberty! Brain scan imagery reveals that kids do not begin to develop the synapses associated with the attention span necessary for correct booster use until about 5 years old.... It's just not worth the risk to diminish your young child's chance of survivial by switching to a booster prematurely when there are options out there that will reduce the risk of injury by staying harnessed until kiddo meets both physical & maturity requirements for a booster.

[jen_nah]

Thanks ladies! I sent her a bunch of the youtube videos videos already but they didn't seem to phase her ex. He needs something techinical. I will pass along Tiffany's link and see how it goes. She even offered to pay half but he is still saying a low back booster is fine for her.

[papooses]

Hopefully he scrolls down to watch the backless vs. dedicated highback booster side impact crash comparisons & read the article :o (again, these links are active at the site) WITHOUT ADEQUATE HEAD PROTECTION
WITH OPTIMAL HEAD PROTECTION

Although these are German crash tests with German booster seats, the laws of physics do not change -- if the booster does not contain the child's head the child will suffer severe/fatal injuries.

(more support for highback booster seats)

[daizy]

See if her lawyer will help her get a court order...

[jen_nah]

See if her lawyer will help her get a court order...

In our state he isn't breaking the law by having her in a backless booster. So, She couldn't get it put in the court order as he is actually doing more then what our state law requires. Even though we all know it's safer.